EV general discussion

b0rn2sk8 said:
Yes well sort of. Fisker plan to use contract manufacturers for this any all future models, that's a very different strategy to everyone else.

I'm sure it has its short term advantages but it doesn't bode well for their long term prospects compared to manufacturers who are more vertically integrated and don't have to give away margin to the contract manufacturer.
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It’s funny because contract manufacturing is so common for all sorts of other things and they wouldn’t dream of being vertically integrated. Apple, Nike, etc.

At the end of the day they are all just assembling parts made by other people anyway, I’d love to know why car manufacturing has stayed like this but outsourcing has become the norm for so many other industries
 
Cupra said:
Whats the best all electric for 35k?
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Boring? MG5 EV
we've got a few of them as taxis and their dull and boring but reliable well specced and rack up big miles and havent gave us any bills yet. oldest one has nearly 30k miles on it and hasnt cost a penny to maintain or run(free charging on public chargers in Glasgow atm) £24500 brand new a couple of month ago
 
233 said:
Boring? MG5 EV
we've got a few of them as taxis and their dull and boring but reliable well specced and rack up big miles and havent gave us any bills yet. oldest one has nearly 30k miles on it and hasnt cost a penny to maintain or run(free charging on public chargers in Glasgow atm) £24500 brand new a couple of month ago
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Curious. Could you advise how much a similar ICE car would have cost to run for the same job doing £30k miles? Both bills/maintenance and fuel as separate figures. :)
 
It has and I don’t disagree with the general point.

However, the nature of a vehicle as a product (large, heavy and very complex) is very different to that of say a laptop.

To get the cost down and the volumes up, car production facilities are highly specialised and can only really be used to assemble that one vehicle/platform and nothing else without significant modifications/downtime.

Compare that to a laptop or phone which is generally assembled by an army of people armed with screwdrivers which can be redeployed (or sacked) quickly.

The costs and the infrastructure involved are just on completely different levels.
 
233 said:
Boring? MG5 EV
we've got a few of them as taxis and their dull and boring but reliable well specced
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bought or leased ? ...
my concern with them and other incoming unknown chinese built brands(Fiskers too) is their long term reliability, are they like the Japanese were in the 60/70's.
[presumably warranty remains the same for cars even if used for commercial activity/mega mileage]

... dull and boring why ? is the driving experience/handling much worse than other heavy weight ev's. (id3 with no dcc, kona, leaf ..)
 
jpaul said:
bought or leased ? ...
my concern with them and other incoming unknown chinese built brands(Fiskers too) is their long term reliability, are they like the Japanese were in the 60/70's.
[presumably warranty remains the same for cars even if used for commercial activity/mega mileage]

... dull and boring why ? is the driving experience/handling much worse than other heavy weight ev's. (id3 with no dcc, kona, leaf ..)
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Probably yes, maybe you should try a car rather than this review by proxy method you seem to do, just gathering and regurgitating other peoples views.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Probably yes, maybe you should try a car rather than this review by proxy method you seem to do, just gathering and regurgitating other peoples views.
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we've discussed the MG warranty before ... don't think they yet have an extended warranty yet ?, so, as a private purchase need to integrate that. (e: in the decision)
 
Pretty much all EV gear is coming out of China regardless of brand.

In the case of Fisker, its a tie up between Foxconn and Geely to provide contract vehicle manufacture to all and sundry, Geely know a thing or two about building cars and platform sharing.
 
You could probably make the argument that Chinese cars from 15 years ago were **** but that doesn’t really apply anymore.

It’s worth noting that the same thing was said about Japanese cars and then Korean cars and now look what’s happened.

@sandys also beat me to it in that nearly all of the electronics for all cars are made in China these days anyway. A big chunk of mechanical parts are produced there too.

China can build anything to any quality and price point. It’s really down to what the designer/manufacturers wants and not any inherent poor workmanship from a Chinese factory.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
China can build anything to any quality and price point. It’s really down to what the designer/manufacturers wants and not any inherent poor workmanship from a Chinese factory.
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yes agree - chinese cars that are re-branded versions of products sold domestically (lower gdp per capita), is probably an indication of lesser build quality/refinement.
 
No not really.

If the domestic car is built to the same price point as an equivalent car in the EU, the chances are it will be pretty decent. They don’t export their really cheap cars over year because no one will buy it. But their cheap cars are a fraction of the price of anything you can buy here.

The MG is case and point, the ZS and MG5 EVs has been around for years now and they are widely praised as being solid cars.

Nio have just launched the same car they sell in China in Norway and by all accounts it’s a decent car. It’s not a cheap car either.

Aside from the **** name, the Ora Cat doesn’t look like it will disappoint either.

You forget there is a huge middle class in China that have a lot of money and they don’t want cheap tat. They want something that’s as good as European car but domestically produced and their domestic producers have risen to the challenge at a rate of knots no one expected.
 
the MG EVs are 7 years or 80k miles warranty.

granted we use them commercially we'll smash that in a year and a half quite easily but their cheap for what they are sub 25k brand new when we bought ours although i believe the new model is going to be closer to 30k
 
233 said:
the MG EVs are 7 years or 80k miles warranty.

granted we use them commercially we'll smash that in a year and a half quite easily but their cheap for what they are sub 25k brand new when we bought ours although i believe the new model is going to be closer to 30k
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80k annually? That’s 220 miles a day. Is that taxi use?
 
Simon said:
Lol. 80k total
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80k warranty period yes ours are taxis

The MGs are used on short work sitting central Scotland we still keep diesels for the long distance stuff

That said one of our owner drivers has a model 3 Tesla with 190k on it bigger all degradation so fsr
 
To be fair, I'd be more worried about having an out of warranty failure with the Tesla taxi than I would the MG taxis. Limited degradation at 190k is pretty good going though.

On another note, Osprey is going up to 66p/kwh, it looks like the Bonnet app will now come in handy for them as well as Ionity.

At this rate, Ionity might not be the most expensive network, its kind of telling how much of a rip Ionity was when all through this energy price crisis they have not needed to raise their prices.
 
Funny story, my daughters aircon is pumping basically directly into my neighbors house. No love lost. I go outside and I hear an aircon vent noise and think "lol, someone is venting to the front of his house" (noise only) and realise it is the fan on the e2008. I did about 10 fairly spirited miles in it much earlier today; but it had been parked up for a while. I presume this is normal?
 
dLockers said:
Funny story, my daughters aircon is pumping basically directly into my neighbors house. No love lost. I go outside and I hear an aircon vent noise and think "lol, someone is venting to the front of his house" (noise only) and realise it is the fan on the e2008. I did about 10 fairly spirited miles in it much earlier today; but it had been parked up for a while. I presume this is normal?
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Probably had cabin or battery protection running?
 
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