I think this might the be the right forum for this question. Do you think we're close to places like youtube allowing 60fps videos, instead of compressing them to 30fps, is it likely to happen and if so, in the next 12 months? What would be stopping them from doing it? There is one place called viddler, but the quality was lousy, even though it kept 60fps.
When will youtube do 60fps?
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About a year or two ago you could have videos with frame rates higher than 30. All videos that did were re-encode and either cut to 30 or halved. I can only think they did it to standardise the available formats removing all the odd videos that were created in the early days.
Of course there's a difference, massively so imo.
Look at my youtube video which is compressed to 30fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1rE9ZxZXo
Here's an original clip from that footage which I shot at 60fps. If you don't mind downloading it, it's 26mb.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/merlin.five//ZOOM0006.rar
Compare it to the same part on my youtube video which is compressed to 30fps (the bit at 2:13 is the same as the shorter clip). It's just smoother and more '3D' if you will, than 30fps. It's not about high definition, it's about smoothness of motion which I think gives more depth to what you're seeing.
Look at my youtube video which is compressed to 30fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1rE9ZxZXo
Here's an original clip from that footage which I shot at 60fps. If you don't mind downloading it, it's 26mb.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/merlin.five//ZOOM0006.rar
Compare it to the same part on my youtube video which is compressed to 30fps (the bit at 2:13 is the same as the shorter clip). It's just smoother and more '3D' if you will, than 30fps. It's not about high definition, it's about smoothness of motion which I think gives more depth to what you're seeing.
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I can't view the video as Youtube is blocked here at work, but I'd imagine that it's more to do with Youtube re-encoding the video than it is the FPS.
They're never going to go above the DVB standard to satisfy the odd geek or two.
Youtube halves the amount of frames of the source material. Why do you think 60fps camcorders even exist? It was even recommended to me in the photography forum to use 60fps for things like fast moving cars. I'm surprised some people think it's geeky. It's much smoother and if you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60fps, that's your problem
yup, I can tell the difference...but then you're misunderstanding how youtube approaches it's encoding. Going to 60fps at an adequate bit rate for someone like you will almost certainly stop video's from streaming to a vast majority of people as their internet connections and available bandwidth wouldn't be able to handle it, would you like that?
Or, to put it another way, go 60fps and half the bitrate from what it is now...which means the video still wouldn't look any better....
This is youtube's dilemna, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't!
Or, to put it another way, go 60fps and half the bitrate from what it is now...which means the video still wouldn't look any better....
This is youtube's dilemna, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't!
I understand what you're saying. But there was a time when youtube was just 240 to 480p. Now we have HD at 720 and 1080p. I know people that say they can't tell the difference between SD and HD. To me, the difference between 30 and 60fps is just as significant a difference. Why couldn't youtube implement a way where people can select 30 or 60fps?
they possibly could....but people would never choose 60fps IMHO. Unless they have a mad internet connection they might, but the default would still be 30fps. The extra bandwidth would near enough double, so in this country, you'd need a FTTC or a decent Virgin 50 meg connection to make it acceptable...it's just not on most people's wish list at the moment. The encoding does more damage to the footage than the frame rate cap, I can get perfectly acceptable footage at 30fps which youtube does it's best to mangle as soon as it's uploaded...and because most people run higher resolutions these days, and HD is such a marketable phrase, that's where it's heading. Did you know that youtube now handles 3d aswell? That will be the next big push rather than increasing the fps
Ah, well when you put it like that, I can understand it better now. I didn't realise 60fps would require such a fast internet connection. Ah well, pity, it would be so nice to be able to share videos the way I see them direct from my camera. Maybe in years to come it might become a standard. Yeah, when I once uploaded a video to viddler, it kept the 60fps, but the quality of the encoded footage was awful.
Pretty much all video compression techniques use inter frames so frame rate will have little impact on the bitrate. The same footage encoded at 60 FPS will only be a bit larger. Of course, it's all dependent on what the footage is.
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