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Best way to do them VMs - set up one and then clone it (make a copy) as many times as you need. VMWare detects this and knows what to do, but I don't know if Hyper-V does.

Four VMs is worth a try if you have nothing better to do but I wouldn't rate it as a priority - I doubt you'll gain much.
 
Only 6 of the Patriot stuff... It seems to be plenty for two VMs. With Server 2008 and 2 VMs each with 1Gb of memory each, slightly over 3Gb sits free in task manager. I guess theres always the option of 12 though, particularly if 4 VMs proves to be potent! :D

Best way to do them VMs - set up one and then clone it (make a copy) as many times as you need. VMWare detects this and knows what to do, but I don't know if Hyper-V does.

I dont know much about Hyper-V, just enough to make a VM really! It seems pretty good, although VMware/Virtualbox are a lot better for (usable) linux VMs (although i guess this isnt really the point of Hyper-V at the moment). I'll try and run a 4 VM test, although i imagine it will be pretty slow and also put me back near full RAM usage. Still, its got to be worth a try!
 
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Chrissy how are you running those vm's and linux smp's
im looking to get more ppd from my nice new phenom ii 940 so have setup the win smp client.
so far im not impressed with it as its showing about 1000ppd on project 2653
i was hoping to get more than that from it somewhere near the ppd your getting from your smp clients.
 
There are two options really. The first is to use VMware Server, a free program that will let you run Linux Virtual machines with two virtual processors each (therefore on a quad core, you can run two Linux VMs). Its quite easy to set up - just download VMware server, install, download a Linux distro of your choice and install the client as per Stanfords web page. If you like, i could make a quick guide and post it (i'll be reinstalling VMware soon).

The second option is to use Hyper-V, a hypervisor produced by Microsoft. This has an advantage over VMware Server in that it allows for 4-way virtual SMP (allows the Virtual machine to 'see' four cores). Obviously there are some upsides to this, particularly for the i7 chips with '8' cores as it allows you to run just two VMs on one one machine to use 8 cores. However, there are downsides... Hyper-V is only available (well, its included with) Windows Server 2008 and Server 2008 R2 (Windows 7 Server edition basically, currently at the RC1 stage like Windows 7), so you need to change OSes to use Hyper-V. It also has pretty poor Linux support - its mainly meant for virtualising Microsoft OSes, and particularly mouse support in Ubuntu is very poor.

For a quad core, two Linux VMs using VMware is the best option. On my Q6600 clocked at 3Ghz, i was getting around 2500 ppd for one client, and about 2300 ppd for the second, which shared one core with the graphics card client. Upping the clock to 3.3 gave around 2700-2900 ppd per client. I think it is unreasonable to expect to achieve as much ppd from a 4 core processor as an 8 core i7, but the difference should not be that much - a few thousand ppd maybe, depending on your clocks obviously. I tried running Hyper-V and a single GFX card client on my previous, Q6600 based PC. It ran fine, but because the GFX client uses part of one core, it has the knock on effect of slowing the Virtual machine, which is obviously more sensitive to core usage when using four cores.

Another thing to note is that the VMs are a bit of a pain to turn on/off everytime you shut down, but because your a 24/7 type, this shouldnt be a problem. There are ways to automate the process, but its still a bit of a pain. RAM usage is also a bit of a problem. The guys on the official F@H forums recommend at least 1gb of memory for each virtual machine running an SMP client to reduce the usage of the SWAP (page) file and speed up the client. In reality the client will run on a much lower level of RAM, but i would not advise running VMs on a machine with less than 4Gb, just because it eats into RAM available for the system and other running applications. Its a bit of a pain if you plan on actually using the PC, rather than just letting it sit there folding!

Phew, long post, but i hope it helps. I believe there is a link to SiriusB's guide that rich includes with all the news updates, but obviously if you have any questions, i'll try and answer them. Linux VMs are definitely the best way to use a processor to gain maximum ppd, and really i have had minimum problems running Linux clients.
 
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That's a fine rig, Chrissy. But one big problem: according to your FahMon screenshot, you're folding for team 0 and thus all your points are disappearing into the anonymous ether :eek:
 
I know, i figured that out yesterday when Didgemaster posted a thread about the stats update. Clicked the link to my stats in FahMon and got two different stats pages... I did think i was missing some points, but it never occurred to me that i had entered the team number wrong (or not at all). It was just the one SMP client, but it doesnt want to change back half way through a unit... Lost myself and OCuK about 8000 points - not best pleased! :mad:

Still, it all helps in the end... Just doesnt help me! :p I actually seem to be producing less with the new rig than the old - must fold harder!
 
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Just letting ya know I'm back.

Current Production is only 28K PPD or there bouts. Just put my spare PS3 back online (was in the closet collecting dust) and im currently installing SW for 3x more 9800 GT's in a 9850 Black Box, so that should put me upwards of 44K pending WU values.

Good too see Biffa, magman, Liger + a few new faces holding up the the top end of the list.

See ya in the Weekly News ;)
 
Welcome back :D

Hopefully this should bump up the team PPD again :)

Been doing nothing for the last couple of days, broken PC WC. Bits arrived today so I'll be ripping it to pieces :)
 
Still here but barely, the beast is still in bits, and my leccy bill is screaming at me to decide on a project and one only, so I'm gonna have to decide between gpu or cpu for now and I think the best decision is to stick to GPU and turn off crunching on the CPUs
 
You know the teams performance is way down when I have the second highest ppd with just one PC. :(

I hope it's mainly the heat that is getting to people. My production will get it's normal summer boost in a couple of weeks ;)
 
I'm back, though limping badly. I miss having a fast computer.

I've got my 8800 running again at a fairly solid 4.5k ppd. I'm not even going to try folding on the amd processor its running from. Every little helps.
 
Not exactly a big hitter, but I'm home in a few weeks... am gonna try and get my PPD up again, if quad SMP doesn't cook me alive... I loved getting 10k a day out of my rig, although my parents didn't!

Want to try the new Virtualbox... supposedly has SMP support up to 32 cores, so I'm gonna try and get some 4-way action going. And the 8800GT could use an upgrade.
 
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Want to try the new Virtualbox... supposedly has SMP support up to 32 cores, so I'm gonna try and get some 4-way action going. And the 8800GT could use an upgrade.


Mattus, i have been running the new virtualbox on my current i7 rig, and it works fine (two 4-core virtual machines). Its slightly slower than Hyper-V on the same rig with the same settings, but its a couple of hundred ppd, if that. I havent done any comparisons with VMware, but i imagine it will be slightly slower, if only because (i think) Hyper-V was slightly slower...

In my experience, you are better of running two VMs on a quad core cpu. Firstly because the gfx card will steal some core cycles, which makes the SMP client slightly ou of sync and slows the whoel thing down, and also because, in my expereince, it doesnt scale perfectly to 4 cores (for example, my current rig is sitting at about 93-95% CPU usage with two 4 core SMP clients and one gfx cleint, compared with 98-99% usge on my quad core pc).
 
Not been a big hitter for a long long time - and even longer since we were world #1 for approx 2 months - and not crunched in a year or so.

I was bored, seeing where serendipity led me on the web and stumbled on S@H - checked the account and one thing let to another - I've installed BOINC and S@H earlier today on my 12GiB i7 920 @ 3.6GHz to see what temps got to - so may keep going since it seems to be ok. I'm not back (yet) - but then I never went away either.

Good to see many familiar names kept the faith (and e-bills :D).

Martin
Team Jolt Cola
 
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