Whey AA profiles. What to look for ?

[RimBlock]

A number of people have mentioned that they use Whey when they feel they need to but the ones they use have a very good amino acid profile.

So the question is, what to look for and how to recognise a good amino acid profile when selecting a whey powder to use ?

Cheers
RB

 

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Just for anyones interest I have also come across this site (True Protein) from the US where you can order your own mixes / flavorings / blends (WPI WPC) packaging etc.

Some people from Singapore use them So I expect they will deliver to the UK.


RB

 

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eat protein, thats about all you need to know. Frankly the complexities of protein amino acid profiles is such that you can't possibly know what you will absorb. The very presence of other proteins in certain quantities effects how well you absorb and use other proteins.

You can take whey, and dump an extra 60% of one amino acid in, that doesn't mean your body will absorb or use it all.

The testing done suggests which profiles absorb the best and whey, is the undoubted winner by a country mile. Egg has a 100 score on the scale as its the best protein you normally find(unprocessed in any way), most meats are in the 80-60 range I believe, and things like soy, milk etc are below them with other things offering worse profiles that absorb less well. On the same scale, Whey, which will always have the rough same basic profile, scores a 140-150 on that same scale. Its the very balance of the profile that makes it absorbable, you cange the profile you change how well its absorbed, so realistically its entirely pointless changing the profile.

AS with all things, its incredibly hard if not impossible to quantify how much a specific protein might help you and the differences will be minimal, sometimes you take it on a week you simply had better energy, better sleep or ate better or grew enough muscle to make exercise X, Y and Z or cardio X, y or z seem easier that week. Likewise other people will be having a bad week, take some and think its garbage.

Stick with basic, cheap but decent whey and you can't go wrong, if you start spending money on every last possible helpful thing, well theres no end in sight as there will always be something someone thinks you need to be "perfect". 98% is good enough and a lot cheaper.

Ok so just go for a whey protein with the minimum of additives at a reasonible price. Low cal for fat loss and high cal for weight gain.

I am currently using EAS 100% whey protein (120cal for 23g protein) which was the best protein to cal whey they had (GNC) although they quite effetively hit me around the head with the idiot stick without out me noticing when they charged me Sin$220 per 5lbs tub (I got two as they were buy one, get one free). I have since found out that the same brand and type can be bought in Singapore from what looks like a respected website for Sin$78 per 5lbs. The next time I went in to the shop I told them what a ripoff they were.

RB

 

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Thanks FF (your up early ).

The one I use is this;

Would be interesting to get info of others if people are willing.

Cheers
RB

 

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I have heard of people like you but thought they were only a myth.

I love my sleeping in until I really have to get up. Shame that with a son who has to be in school by 7:15 I tend to get dragged out of bed regardless.

I am more of a night owl than an early riser.

RB

 

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Im lucky to get to bed before midnight and this is my greatest failing for my new lifestyle. Damn my wife and her Korean soap operas she like to watch in bed .

Ok, so not bad but not the best. This is the vanilla flavor one by the way and the taste is good IMHO.

Any other brand / type to look out for with a better KCal to Protein ratio so I can see if I can find it here. Needs to be big brand and My Protein is currently out as I have had no reply to the enquiry I sent them earlier this week. Bulk suppliments contact us form didn't work when I tried.

Cheers
RB

 

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I love early mornings for the peacefullness. I hate getting up early .

I used to love coming home at 5am Sunday morning in central London to deserted streets. Fantastic feeling. Very 'Seven days later'.

I am a light sleeper although this morning I completely missed my alarm clock and woke up an hour late. This is the second time this week that my alarm has been missed. I do usually hear if my wife comes to bed late or gets up to pop to the toilet. I really have to get earlier nights but it is tricky with a family who hates early nights and 10pm onwards is the only time for the 'adults' .

I have found that my sleeping has improved dramtically since I gave up smoking (tobacco - rollups) in Oct 2008.

RB

 

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I dedicate weekends to recovery as well, and gorging myself on food!

That is what got me in to my pre lifestyle change state in the first place .

5am around Livepool Street station on a Sunday morning is dead quiet. Fantastic. You almost feel the city is yours alone.

IThe advantage of being single with no kids and living in a quiet neighbourhood I guess

Yes I can think of a few others as well especially the single bit with the build you now have. I am getting to the place I should have been 15 years ago to enable me to have enjoyed life to the full. Mind you I did ok without .

You've still got a few years to catch me up yet (marriage and kids that is) .

RB

 

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You have got a handful of years on me but you're not THAT old

I am not so sure about that, been seeing the odd grey eyebrow hair now and then and this week I noticed a couple fo grey chest hairs . This is the point of life where I need to correct people. It is not old but distinguished . Nah, still plenty of life in this old dog yet....

I love going to the Billingsgate fish market at 4-5am - you get some bargains and fish by the kilo. It's incredible. It's an effort though even for me!

When visiting the UK in june, my father took a trip there to get a salmon for the party the June photos were taken at in my progress thread. I declined his kind offer of getting up for a 4am trip to Billingsgate .

Funnily enough I do seem to get more attention these days, though I get some from men too (Usually drunk chavs who always pick on the biggest guy from the group friends I'm with, typically me Though never had any issues really. )

That is one thing I really like about Singapore. No chavs. You do get Ah Beng's but they are not quite as bad. Most of the drinking places are central and so residential areas are not effected by 3am singing. It is rare for there to be trouble due to drink and TBH if there is any it is usually tourists. The locals know the rattan cane here too well, not that I have had any issues with the police or feel oppressed. Not really any different (well not worse) than the UK as long as you stay out of politics .

As for the weekends, I still train at weekends, but often train even harder than during the week, and it's the tme I catch up on more sleep and more food. Hasn't done me any harm to date though!!

My youngest is now 18 months and goes to a 1.5 hour a week class with othe similar aged toddlers. The class ib by the gym I use so I go to the gym while my wife sits in with our young one. I do find if I do weights at around lunch time then my performance seems to be much worse than at 6pm. Maybe it is the food cycle and the wrong time due to lack of fuel in the body (food eating time). Not sure.

RB

 

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Now and then it is an advantage to go at lunch time like tomorrow when my wife has decided she would like to go clubbing.

We'll see how it goes. Right off to the gym. Almost 6pm here now.

Cheers
RB

 

[RimBlock]

Honestly, it doesn't really matter what else is in it, its just your overall diet. You could buy a whey protein with carbs added thats higher calorie, but as long as you cut carbs/calories elsewhere it doesn't matter. Though saying that often, the best quality proteins come on their own and are cheap, the best quality carbs are cheap when you buy them on their own, buy a package with everything premixed and price goes up dramatically. For instance I buy the when isolate which is higher % protein per scoop, but I get it because its got less lactose in. If I was buying the lower percentage whey, i'd just eat slightly more and eat 2 grams less of carbs elsewhere in my daily diet.

Understood but I would rather have to manage a 2g carb loss from my diet than a 32g from a grow/bulking product

Generally speaking I wouldn't worry to much about calorie content of your protein shakes, just your overall daily intake and even then, don't go mad. Calories aren't close to everything, if you eat 1500 calories of high gi carbs, say french bread, and a load of saturated fat, you'll put on more weight than if you eat 2500 calories of fantastic and healthy food.

Ok but how do you know if the mix you have is right for loosing weight if you cannot go by calories. Surely some form of measure is required rather than monthly trial and error.

The whole calorie thing does my head in, say you've eaten 40grams of protein, one person is lazy, bone idle, and the body isn't repairing muscle, it burns it for energy. Another guy needs it to repair muscle, the body decides to use the protein for muscle cells rather than burning it, did they both consume 160 calories or just the guy who burnt it for fuel?

I know what you mean but maybe looking at it as unrealised Kcals which only get realised when burn for fuel (like stock market shares only really having value when sold / bought. Until then they only have unrealised value). This does bring up another interesting question though. The 2500 average for a normal man daily KCal intake - Is this just for fuel to do things (walk/talk/pump heart) or does it include KCals for muscle and cell repair as well ?

Eat right and your body will constantly repair itself, not just muscles from weight lifting, every cell in your body gets replaced fairly regularly. The better you eat and the more good supplies available, the better your body does and the more energy it uses.

Sure.

Thanks DM

RB