Which 24'' Monitor?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-054-SA


- Viewable Area: 24” Widescreen (1920x1200 Resolution)
- Interface: Analog / Digital
- Response Time: 5ms
- 16.7M Colours
- Contrast Ratio: 3000:1
- Viewing Angle (H/V): 160°/ 160°
- Brightness: 400cd/m2
- Height Adjustable stand with tilt & swivel
- 3 Years On-Site Warranty with Samsung

£269.99

£317.24 inc VAT
 
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2407fpw review 2006 http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/review/2006/06/15/Dell-Ultrasharp-2407WFP-24in-Widescreen/p1

Samsung SM-245B 24" lifted review cant link to site competitor

Widescreen A very well presented unit, with a good degree of control over the display. Screen was hopelessly over-bright when delivered, however a 20 minute calibration with a Gretag Macbeth Eye-One has resolved the problem and the colours are now as good as my old Philips 19inch. Supplied with analog and DVI leads. Viewing angles are not excellent, however as the displays get bigger, this is maybe a problem to be expected. However brightness and contrast consistency top to bottom and side to side is good. I can now get Lightroom and Photoshop to show menu bars AND a good size image!
 
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Taht dell review is very old when it jsut come out and therefore is not comparing it to todays standards where it may not be as good as it is now. 6ms is quite a slow refresh rate for competitive fps gaming. But i gues 5ms isn't much better.
 
The Hyundai W240D-TN has a lot of positive comments going for it, in an earlier thread. And that's with the TN panel.

The Hyundai W240D-PVA is due out in a couple of weeks, with the superior PVA panel. It's one to watch for.
 
8igdave said:
Taht dell review is very old when it jsut come out and therefore is not comparing it to todays standards where it may not be as good as it is now. 6ms is quite a slow refresh rate for competitive fps gaming. But i gues 5ms isn't much better.
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not really any better in fact. The 5ms quoted figures for models like the Samsung 245B are an old style ISO response time for only the black > white transition. The G2G quoted figures nowadays show a more realistic idea of overall responsiveness, where RTC has been used to boost response times.

more details here anyway: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm

panel tech comes into play, but it could be argued that the 6ms G2G S-PVA panels are slightly superior in practice in terms of response time, as compared with the 5ms TN Film generation


ps, for original poster, the SM245B and 2407WFP-HC are both reviewed here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm :)
 
Which 24" Monitor (Part 2)

Im also after a 24" Monitor, itll be for use within a studio and i cannot justify apple prices for there cinema displays,

so what screen would be best for in a studio, something with really good quality imagery!

i have about 450-500!

-Neoni.
 
Neoni said:
Im also after a 24" Monitor, itll be for use within a studio and i cannot justify apple prices for there cinema displays,

so what screen would be best for in a studio, something with really good quality imagery!

i have about 450-500!

-Neoni.
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for what use in the studio?
 
Baddass said:
not really any better in fact. The 5ms quoted figures for models like the Samsung 245B are an old style ISO response time for only the black > white transition. The G2G quoted figures nowadays show a more realistic idea of overall responsiveness, where RTC has been used to boost response times.

more details here anyway: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm

panel tech comes into play, but it could be argued that the 6ms G2G S-PVA panels are slightly superior in practice in terms of response time, as compared with the 5ms TN Film generation


ps, for original poster, the SM245B and 2407WFP-HC are both reviewed here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm :)
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Are you sure?

I thought all TFT's had a Black to white response time of 16ms and when manufacturers couldn't get it any lower they then advertised performance using the G2G figures 12ms - 2ms.
 
Reality|Bites said:
Are you sure?

I thought all TFT's had a Black to white response time of 16ms and when manufacturers couldn't get it any lower they then advertised performance using the G2G figures 12ms - 2ms.
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yes i am sure :) ISO response times have pretty much hit a limit, but it varies from one technology to another. In truth, it might not be as low as 5ms for TN Film panels (third party tests suggest it isn't quite that fast), but manuf claim to have recorded a transition black > white this fast now. Modern screens have the following limits if manuf readings are to be 100% accurate:

TN Film = 5ms ISO, then where RTC is used, they reach 2ms G2G
S-PVA / PVA = 12ms ISO, or 6ms G2G if RTC is used
MVA / P-MVA = 16ms ISO, or 8ms G2G where RTC is used
IPS / S-IPS = 16ms ISO, 6ms G2G where RTC is used
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like i say, third party tests reveal that the actual ISO response time of TN Film may never reach as low as 5ms, but manuf have alternative testing methods of course. IT does reach below 16ms, but that is a brick wall they hit for ISO response time on S-IPS for example. So if you see a quoted response time without "G2G" then it is probably not using RTC.....if it's lower than 16ms it doesnt necessarily mean they are using RTC though. eg Samsung SM245B is 5ms, but that's ISO, they dont use RTC there. Most modern VA/IPS panels now use RTC since previously G2G transitions were MUCH slower. However, TN Film was never quite as bad, so they can get away without RTC i many cases, but ISO response time is still listed as low as 5ms, so it still "sounds" good to the punters :)

hth
 
Baddass said:
not really any better in fact. The 5ms quoted figures for models like the Samsung 245B are an old style ISO response time for only the black > white transition. The G2G quoted figures nowadays show a more realistic idea of overall responsiveness, where RTC has been used to boost response times.

more details here anyway: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm

panel tech comes into play, but it could be argued that the 6ms G2G S-PVA panels are slightly superior in practice in terms of response time, as compared with the 5ms TN Film generation


ps, for original poster, the SM245B and 2407WFP-HC are both reviewed here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm :)
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Thanks was unaware of this. problem is that i have a 19" 2ms viewsonic which cost me quite a lot 3 years ago lmao but i dont know if ill notice the differennce when i get a 24" screen and get a responce of 5/6ms instead of 2ms
 
Assume that's the VX922. That is one of the most responsive models in the market, so a lot to live up to :) You may notice a slight change if you moved to a non RTC TN Film model (5ms TN Film like the SM245B for example), but i will say that they are more than adequate for most average users and unless you're a really serious gamer, it should be fine. The RTC enabled VA / IPS generation are quite comparable as well, perhaps a little more responsive in practice than the 5ms TN models, since RTC is used to improve responsiveness across G2G transitions.
 
Baddass said:
Assume that's the VX922. That is one of the most responsive models in the market, so a lot to live up to :) You may notice a slight change if you moved to a non RTC TN Film model (5ms TN Film like the SM245B for example), but i will say that they are more than adequate for most average users and unless you're a really serious gamer, it should be fine. The RTC enabled VA / IPS generation are quite comparable as well, perhaps a little more responsive in practice than the 5ms TN models, since RTC is used to improve responsiveness across G2G transitions.
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I nver knew it was one of the most responsive models on the market :).

What is the best 24" and 22" for around 350 quid or under with the best responce time? Or do you think ill have to go for a more expensive 22" over one of the cheaper 24"s like the sammy. Shame i awnted a 24" but it depends what sort of difference we are talking about. Im not really sure what it would look like to have a slower response time as this is the only TFT ive ever had and i cant remember the CRT it was taht long ago!
 
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