which do you think is faster?
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Given the low state of tune of these yank tanks, the 'scort may well leave the mustang standing 
Top end - the Mustang, given the long gearing.
Acceleration - possibly the Escort, given the lower weight and shorter gears. Would depend on whether the 'stang has a slushbox or not.
Corners - neither. The Escort will understeer straight off the road, the Mustang will explode as soon as it gets within 6 miles of a corner*.
* - may or may not be exaggerating slightly.
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Is there actually a point to this comparison, by the way?
Acceleration - possibly the Escort, given the lower weight and shorter gears. Would depend on whether the 'stang has a slushbox or not.
Corners - neither. The Escort will understeer straight off the road, the Mustang will explode as soon as it gets within 6 miles of a corner*.
* - may or may not be exaggerating slightly.
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Is there actually a point to this comparison, by the way?
PMKeates said:
the escort i drove and compared to this mustang is a 105bhp 1.8 model. think only escort gti comes in 115bhp model and some si models too.
lets just say the results are shocking to say the least.
escort seems quicker.
mustang toped out at 118mph, and gave 19mpg. acceleration is not anything to get chuffed over too. fair enough the one which was driven is pictured above and is the bottom of the range 4.0 v6 model its slow for what it is. very slow infact.
escort even managed 125mph, mustang just ran out of steam.
just goes to show, cuz petrol prices are cheapo in america there is no need to develop engine technology much. in europe petrol prices are rinse hence need for engines to be more efficient and generate more power and still get good fule economy.
only 1 good thing can be said about the mustang i drove, the sound of its engine, that roar it makes is just amazing to say the least. has to be heard to be really described. other than that its got nothing else going for it in this country.
one thing for sure, the air in america is not that clean thanks to these gas guzzlers, with high emmissions, even thier trucks use petrol except for the really large ones that use diesle.
man you guys should see the size of a MACK truck, it absolutely MASSIVE
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It would be very strange for them to use the 105ps engine. Even the facelift 1.8 LX had the 115ps unit.Cyber-Mav said:
The Escort will do 68 in 2nd.. I can't imagine them being that much longer, even with an AutoJRS said:
I'd be fairly certain that from 0-Top Speed the Mustang would be faster. Even accounting for slushbox and Yank-tank-ness it has 210hp, 325nm and RWD.
Cyber-Mav said:
I bet they aren't.
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Of course it did. I thought you said this would be shocking?
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Are those indicated speeds or accurate ones?
Cyber-Mav said:
Ah yes, the typical anti-US car comments regarding their 'ancient' technology.
If something isn't broke, why fix it? Americans need their cars to be cheap and mechanically reliable. Hence, they like Japanese cars. They also like stuff with a large displacement, slow revving engine that will do intergalactic mileage before needing anything more major than an oil change and new filter element.
Cyber-Mav said:only 1 good thing can be said about the mustang i drove, the sound of its engine, that roar it makes is just amazing to say the least. has to be heard to be really described. other than that its got nothing else going for it in this country.
Go drive something with the requisite number of cylinders (i.e. 8, in a 90deg V pattern), then you'll get the right sound and the right punch.
PMKeates said:It would be very strange for them to use the 105ps engine. Even the facelift 1.8 LX had the 115ps unit.
The Escort will do 68 in 2nd.. I can't imagine them being that much longer, even with an Auto
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Data.aspx?model=258
take a look at that speclist, the escot ghia P reg we got is deffo a 105ps model, says so when you lift up the bonnet on the air intake pipe. has "1.8 105" written on it.
was absolutley shocked at the appaling performance of the mustang, these american cars are very badly over rated, i though games like test drive unlimited had got it wrong when you drive a 300bhp american car and it seems slower than a european car with half the bhp.??
just inefficient engineering i believe, or they just like to quote big figures and like the sound the engines make.
not impressed at all..... won;t even compare it to the subaru impreza we had, mustang got no chance what so ever.
dunno how the 4.6L super charger and 5.6L models fair. they quote 500bhp on the top model, but if its american bhp then i doubt its gonna be impressive.
JRS said:
well, the mustang i drove had 6000miles on the clock, the escort i drove had 154k on the clock, all the escort has had is a cambelt kit change. yes i see that low compression engines will last longer but its just damn shocking to see a 4.0 v6 beat by a 1.8 non turbo.
i know in this country (uk) id be embarrased to have a 4.0l v6 and get lashed by all the little cars driving around. a reason for blacked out windows if there ever was one.
PMKeates said:Oh well. I should have learnt by now that with Ford, you can never be too careful how many corners may have been cut
you think thats bad, VW still use those old 2.0ltr 8valve engines which were in the mk3 golf gti in thier newer cars.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Data.aspx?model=1033
look there, i know a manufactuer will try and clear out thier old stock but this is ridiculous. haha
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Thing is, your average VW Beetle driver demands no more from the mechanicals of their car than the fact that it has an engine which starts, moves the thing, and stops. Most (if not all) of these people are women, and have no idea what a valve is. Besides, VW are of course a premium brand and so their 8 valves must be worth more than 16 ford valves!!
PMKeates said:They haven't used the 2.0 8V in the Golf for ages - it's the 2.0 FSI 150PS now
They use it in the SEAT Alhambra though!
nooo, check the link out, they use that 2.0 8valve engine in the new beetle year 03 onwards. hahahah
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Well, given that the 4.0 Cologne V6 is being phased out this year in favour of the newer Cyclone series motor I'm sure the V6 'stang won't be quite such a slouch for much longer. Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that - the engine is German, not American. Designed by Ford's German arm. So much for it being an example of how American engine tech hasn't moved on....
The newer motor has VVT on the intake side, is an all-aluminium design and makes 265hp (SAE certified) in it's current form. Ford plan on adding direct injection to it, to increase efficiency and raise power up towards 300 hp.
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Oh yeah, and they've got a version in testing at the moment with direct injection and twin turbos. 415 hp, and it'll run on any mix of E85 ethanol and petrol. But since the Americans don't really do any engine development and haven't done so in 40 years, I'm sure it won't be any good.....*sigh*
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