Which GPU would you recommend

5070ti if you can afford the extra over the 9070xt.
DLSS, multi frame generation, and Reflex2 super low latency, are all worth having over the AMD counterparts. But it's personal preference, but DLSS always looks better than FSR and usually yields higher FPS, as does it's frame generation.
Both are excellent choices, so you cant loose either way :)
 
£700 for the nitro+..ouch...that was down at £660 recently. I've got that myself but not at £700...that being said I love the card..the all metal frame and build are top notch, and the hidden cable management is sooooo good, it's ruined it for me with upgrading down the line, as I'll want that on my future gpu. I hate the wires coming out the front of gpu's...looks ugly. Card also runs cool and is silent for me. what i do find amazing though is a top amd card is £50 more than the base msrp card, whereas on nvidia, the top card is £200+ more (aorus master 5070ti is £1k)
as for the palit slim card...hmm..hate the look, I'd rather pay up and get a nicer looking card. I'm a fan of big gpu's now...a 3 slot+ card just tells me it's probably got a bigger heatsink on it, so fans wont need to work as hard to dissipate the heat (but then why Iprefer atx to matx as more air volume flowing around inside the case to carry heat away too....but then, the pc sits on the desk next to me so I see it all the time...if it's on the floor or out of sight, just get the cheapest. nvidia lock everything down so much, barely any difference in performance
regarding dlss etc. I'm not bothered...fsr3 is pants. Bought my son a 7800xt (2nd hand) to see what it's like and it's a straight 'no'. that and when i turned on ray tracing on Indy jones, it turned the game into a slide show. FSR4 isn't, and with optiscaler, you can insert FSR4 into any game that supports dlss. RT still isn't as strong on the amd card, but it can still run games etc...indy for instance, where on the 7800xt was unplayable, I have RT set tyo medium and play no problem
at end of day, think it comes down to personal taste...at the price of £700, I'd get the powercolor reaper for £610 is you don't mind slimmer cards...which in itself is annoying as yesterday it was £570
I'd also check thing like HU 30game test..some games favour nvidia, some favour amd. Depending on the games you play, that could be a decider also
 
Agree with Craig about the thicker heatsink.

I have just got the Pulse 9070 XT and the cooler is massive and so quite even with the fans running (not had them full pelt yet though).

Not that long ago it was inconceivable that 5070 TI would be cheaper than a 9070 XT. :p
 
I'd go for the 5070ti unless you specifically play games which heavily favour AMD, CoD Warzone comes to mind and there are a few others.

Regardless, generally speaking DLSS is superior to FSR4 (although FSR4 seriously narrowed the gap and improved on the tech) and has better game support. While optiscaler is a workaround it doesn't work in every game and can sometimes be problematic, and in online games there are reports of it triggering anti-cheat software. Then you factor in RT/PT being better with Nvidia, and other factors such as the card not using as much energy (not that there's much in it, 30-40w off the top of my head).

In regards to cooling solutions, many modern GPU HSF's are very overbuilt, there's twin fan models out there which cool just as well at similar noise levels to larger triple slot. You do need to take it on a case by case basis, and obviously if you're aiming for a certain aesthetic that might factor in too, but I wouldn't get too hung up on cooler size unless there is a known problem with a particular model.
 
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You've picked one of the higher/highest end 9070XT's vs. one of the relatively basic 5070Tis - so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

5070Ti is marginally better - just comes down to what price you want to pay and whether you want Nvidia's feature set.

deviation said:
5070ti if you can afford the extra over the 9070xt.
DLSS, multi frame generation, and Reflex2 super low latency, are all worth having over the AMD counterparts. But it's personal preference, but DLSS always looks better than FSR and usually yields higher FPS, as does it's frame generation.
Both are excellent choices, so you cant loose either way :)
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DLSS Transformer beats out FSR4, but FSR4 is now comfortably better than DLSS CNN.

MFG really does depend person to person as to whether you're going to use it or not, I have a 5070FE in one system and 9070XT in another and there are times when I use MFG 2x on the 5070 (AC Shadows) and the experience has been good. Other games I find it just feels 'off'.

Reflex 2 is the same as Anti-Lag 2, there's no difference at all outside of supported titles. The only interesting thing here is when Nvidia eventually get round to launching Reflex Frame Warp, that'll really move the needle onec again.

Agree with your last point though, neither are bad choices between the 70Ti and 70XT!
 
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You've picked one of the higher/highest end 9070XT's vs. one of the relatively basic 5070Tis - so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

5070Ti is marginally better - just comes down to what price you want to pay and whether you want Nvidia's feature set.


DLSS Transformer beats out FSR4, but FSR4 is now comfortably better than DLSS CNN.

MFG really does depend person to person as to whether you're going to use it or not, I have a 5070FE in one system and 9070XT in another and there are times when I use MFG 2x on the 5070 (AC Shadows) and the experience has been good. Other games I find it just feels 'off'.

Reflex 2 is the same as Anti-Lag 2, there's no difference at all outside of supported titles. The only interesting thing here is when Nvidia eventually get round to launching Reflex Frame Warp, that'll really move the needle onec again.

Agree with your last point though, neither are bad choices between the 70Ti and 70XT!
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I cant fault a thing that you've said mate :)
Having had both brands for many years, I would say currently, Nvidia is still slightly ahead in terms of how quickly they release the new featuresets/keep them up to date/deploy them to past and present games, so I don't often mind paying that extra X for that piece of mind, but as the goalposts get closer and blur, it just makes it better for us the consumer, and you then cannot loose, whichever team you choose :)
 
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MFG really does depend person to person as to whether you're going to use it or not, I have a 5070FE in one system and 9070XT in another and there are times when I use MFG 2x on the 5070 (AC Shadows) and the experience has been good. Other games I find it just feels 'off'.
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I've dabbled with MFG and it's not something I tend to recommend the 5000 series on personally, it never feels quite right to me whereas I didn't have that problem in at least some titles while using standard frame gen tech, it's almost like an odd sort of uncanny valley filter.

As you say I imagine it is situational and hopefully something that can be improved upon, but my (albeit limited) experience with it thus far has been poor.
 
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Gray2233 said:
I've dabbled with MFG and it's not something I tend to recommend the 5000 series on personally, it never feels quite right to me whereas I didn't have that problem in at least some titles while using standard frame gen tech, it's almost like an odd sort of uncanny valley filter.

As you say I imagine it is situational and hopefully something that can be improved upon, but my (albeit limited) experience with it thus far has been poor.
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I am yet to try it, but have experience with the original frame generation on both FSR/DLSS3 onwards.

Question, did the games you felt the weirdness with, have reflex 1 or 2? As I noticed it was out upon the 5XXX card releases, and I'd doubt even now it's fully supported by all the games yet? Or did it come with every DLSS4 supported game - I was under the impression DLSS4 was there but not always Reflex 2 support, yet?
Obviously will vary from game to game, but I'd be interested to play something with MFG and Reflex 2.
I'm sure Cyberpunk will have support for it now or in the upcoming patch? As they were quick to add frame generation for the 4XXX series.

I am intrigued though, as the 'claims' are that Reflex2 has a very snappy response rate, so if it's better than Reflex 1, it should be pretty decent, however I wonder if this is still the case if you were playing something really demanding that was under the 60FPS native or DLSS ceiling, as that can make MFG a lesser experience - I wonder if Reflex 2 can still fix that, or if you must still have a minimum of 60FPS to make the MFG smooth when it's multiplied.
 
deviation said:
I am yet to try it, but have experience with the original frame generation on both FSR/DLSS3 onwards.

Question, did the games you felt the weirdness with, have reflex 1 or 2? As I noticed it was out upon the 5XXX card releases, and I'd doubt even now it's fully supported by all the games yet? Or did it come with every DLSS4 supported game - I was under the impression DLSS4 was there but not always Reflex 2 support, yet?
Obviously will vary from game to game, but I'd be interested to play something with MFG and Reflex 2.
I'm sure Cyberpunk will have support for it now or in the upcoming patch? As they were quick to add frame generation for the 4XXX series.

I am intrigued though, as the 'claims' are that Reflex2 has a very snappy response rate, so if it's better than Reflex 1, it should be pretty decent, however I wonder if this is still the case if you were playing something really demanding that was under the 60FPS native or DLSS ceiling, as that can make MFG a lesser experience - I wonder if Reflex 2 can still fix that, or if you must still have a minimum of 60FPS to make the MFG smooth when it's multiplied.
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I built a relative a 5000 based rig a short while back and tested some of the games he plays while setting everything up.

Tested: Cyberpunk 2077, Everspace 2, FF16.

There might have been others with Reflex enabled but I can't recall for certain, but when applying MFG + Reflex in the above three things just felt off, I really don't know how to fully articulate it outside of saying it felt weird and actually caused a mild headache over time. I've had that in the past in the odd rare game, to this day Half Life 2 will give me a (literal) migraine if I play it for more than an hour at a time. This is the first time I've had anything like that with games I didn't otherwise have that particular issue with.
 
Gray2233 said:
I built a relative a 5000 based rig a short while back and tested some of the games he plays while setting everything up.

Tested: Cyberpunk 2077, Everspace 2, FF16.

There might have been others with Reflex enabled but I can't recall for certain, but when applying MFG + Reflex in the above three things just felt off, I really don't know how to fully articulate it outside of saying it felt weird and actually caused a mild headache over time. I've had that in the past in the odd rare game, to this day Half Life 2 will give me a (literal) migraine if I play it for more than an hour at a time. This is the first time I've had anything like that with games I didn't otherwise have that particular issue with.
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Was that Reflex or Reflex 2 that you felt that with? It sounds like it was just Reflex? So that would make sense as the card might not have been an actual 60FPS before being fake framed? Which is what I hear the weirdness is regarding from others.

I'm just wondering wether Reflex 2 fixes this, or you'll till need 60+FPS for it to feel snappy/nice.

HL2 in the same of mad amounts of FPS, or just the engine doesn't play nice with your eyes/head?
 
deviation said:
Was that Reflex or Reflex 2 that you felt that with? It sounds like it was just Reflex? So that would make sense as the card might not have been an actual 60FPS before being fake framed? Which is what I hear the weirdness is regarding from others.

I'm just wondering wether Reflex 2 fixes this, or you'll till need 60+FPS for it to feel snappy/nice.

HL2 in the same of mad amounts of FPS, or just the engine doesn't play nice with your eyes/head?
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It could have just been Reflex, I'd need to go hijack his rig to double check! :p I don't have any 5000 cards at hand currently either, although might soon and will look into it more.

HL2 does a serious number on me for some reason, but I do suspect it's something most don't deal with. I have a highly dominant right eye, my brain sort of compensates for that with the left when both are open, but if I close said dominant eye the left is a blurry mess and it's not something that glasses can fix. It could be that my circumstances are making the way MFG looks worse, it's not something that most people need to deal with. It makes VR a nightmare for me too funnily enough, as much as I'd love to dabble with it.
 
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Gray2233 said:
It could have just been Reflex, I'd need to go hijack his rig to double check! :p I don't have any 5000 cards at hand currently either, although might soon and will look into it more.

HL2 does a serious number on me for some reason, but I do suspect it's something most don't deal with. I have a highly dominant right eye, my brain sort of compensates for that with the left when both are open, but if I close said dominant eye the left is a blurry mess and it's not something that glasses can fix. It could be that my circumstances are making the way MFG looks worse, it's not something that most people need to deal with. It makes VR a nightmare for me too funnily enough, as much as I'd love to dabble with it.
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Please hijack it, I'm genuinely intrigued haha!
Interesting, that makes sense why that would mess with you then.
I was just going to say I bet VR would be a no go, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get on with VR myself, I cannot stand the judder from 24fps panned shots that some TV's have. It gives me a headache. There's a specific bit on the bridge in NTTD that has that, and jesus my eyes/head hurt near instantly when trying to tune it out of the TV's settings.
 
Gray2233 said:
I'd go for the 5070ti unless you specifically play games which heavily favour AMD, CoD Warzone comes to mind and there are a few others.

Regardless, generally speaking DLSS is superior to FSR4 (although FSR4 seriously narrowed the gap and improved on the tech) and has better game support. While optiscaler is a workaround it doesn't work in every game and can sometimes be problematic, and in online games there are reports of it triggering anti-cheat software. Then you factor in RT/PT being better with Nvidia, and other factors such as the card not using as much energy (not that there's much in it, 30-40w off the top of my head).

In regards to cooling solutions, many modern GPU HSF's are very overbuilt, there's twin fan models out there which cool just as well at similar noise levels to larger triple slot. You do need to take it on a case by case basis, and obviously if you're aiming for a certain aesthetic that might factor in too, but I wouldn't get too hung up on cooler size unless there is a known problem with a particular model.
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I will be playing DMZ, Spiderman, Cyberpunk and probably at lot of older titles that I have in my library.

I come from a Xbox and PlayStation background so all these features/settings confuse the hell out of me
 
deviation said:
Please hijack it, I'm genuinely intrigued haha!
Interesting, that makes sense why that would mess with you then.
I was just going to say I bet VR would be a no go, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get on with VR myself, I cannot stand the judder from 24fps panned shots that some TV's have. It gives me a headache. There's a specific bit on the bridge in NTTD that has that, and jesus my eyes/head hurt near instantly when trying to tune it out of the TV's settings.
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It's the peripheral change more than anything I think, that's where the compensation factor is basically nulled because the screens are so close to the eyes. It's not like I magically have better left/right vision by not having my right eye blocked, it's more a case of brain adaptation I suspect and it gets fuzzy when it views things and can't do that. My panning suffers a fair bit, it messes with my positional awareness a lot too. Makes certain sports a bit of a PITA too, I've always been awful at football but I really got on with rugby by comparison due to role focus. I was actually super fond of tennis and badminton when I was younger too, but I could sort of use the bat as a range finder which helped to an extent.

Cheque said:
I will be playing DMZ, Spiderman, Cyberpunk and probably at lot of older titles that I have in my library.

I come from a Xbox and PlayStation background so all these features/settings confuse the hell out of me
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For general game usage the 5070ti is more than likely going to be a better experience, especially if you're not overly technically minded and/or don't want to deal with workarounds to get the most out of the card.
 
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Gray2233 said:
It's the peripheral change more than anything I think, that's where the compensation factor is basically nulled because the eye-screens are so close to the eyes. It's not like I magically have better left/right vision by not having my right eye blocked, it's more a case of brain adaptation I suspect and it gets fuzzy when it views things and can't do that. My panning suffers a fair bit, it messes with my positional awareness a lot too. Makes certain sports a bit of a PITA too, I've always been awful at football but I really got on with rugby by comparison due to role focus. I was actually super fond of tennis and badminton when I was younger too, but I could sort of use the bat as a range finder which helped to an extent.
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I'm sorry to here that mate, but on the positive side, it doesn't sound like you let anything beat you, and know and hone what your strengths are, so fair play to you. At least your not bitter :)
I don't really like the idea of VR I think I would be one of the many that get motion sickness and or headaches.
 
deviation said:
I'm sorry to here that mate, but on the positive side, it doesn't sound like you let anything beat you, and know and hone what your strengths are, so fair play to you. At least your not bitter :)
I don't really like the idea of VR I think I would be one of the many that get motion sickness and or headaches.
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It's honestly never really impacted me in a negative sense, you can't really miss something you've never really had. I don't view it as a disability, just a quirk that can be iffy with some stuff. :cry:

It doesn't effect me in 98% of cases so I'm grand, I actually think it might be beneficial in some weirdly enough, certainly in gaming on screens.
 
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