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Which P4 will be quicker?

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I've got a choice of 3 P4's to run in my P4P-800 Deluxe mobo:

1) The exg 2.8Ghz/512/800 SL6WJ Malaya which runs happily a 3Ghz using the auto overclocking feature on my board.

2) A 3.00Ghz/1m/800 SL7E4 Costa Rica.

3) A 3.0Ghz/512/800 SL6WU Phillipines.

Which is the best?
 
3 in most applications, 2 in others. Northwood has a shorter pipeline 21 stage instead of 31 I believe, so it has a higher IPC. The higher cache of the Prescott masks it sometimes, but not others.

3 will also run a lot cooler.

Socket 478 Prescotts were very hot running, they improved slightly when they moved to 775.

Overclocking the Prescott (2) might reach higher speeds, but that also depends on your motherboard/ram.

Processor 1 might actually be the best come to think of it. Most Northy's clock to between 3.1 and 3.4Ghz on air without much problem, and assuming both the 2.8 and 3.0 are clocked to the same speed, the 2.8 will have the higher FSB, so its got more bandwidth to play with.
 
How fast will no.3 run on auto overclocking? With the same FSB that overclocked the 2.8 to 3Ghz (which is prolly no where NEAR where it can potentially go) it can run the 3Ghz at 3.2, both chips have probably at least 3.4-3.5Ghz in them at stock volts tbh. Forget the Presc-hot in all cases.
 
Blast - I hadn't realised the SL7E4 was a Prescott.

If I try and autoclock my 2.8ghz Northy any more than 10% the pc crashes.

I had assumed the 3ghz Northy would be faster!

Is it a case of fitting the 3Ghz and seeing if it will autoclock faster?
 
Would try that. Your problem is not likely the cpu though, haven't had a 2.8 that did'nt do at least 3.3 minimum and i've had a few with most achieving 3.4-3.6GHz on stock volts. What RAM are you using? And yea, no .2 aka Prescott will have to be overclocked far above the limitations of the 478 platform to win consistently against the Northwoods. :D
 
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i could be totally off the mark on this one.... so here goes.

i vaugely remember SL6WU had more chance of being 30 capper than SL6WK (but like i say i could be totally wrong)

check it has 30 transistors? on the underside, its usually a sign of it being a 'better' clocker than the ones with less.
 
I've got 4 sticks of Twinmoss 256 DDR-SDRAM PC3200U 2.5-3-3-8 running dual channel speed 2x210Mhz if that helps.

The CPU is using 1.54V Stepping 2/9(9) Multiplier 14/1x.

All courtesy of SIS Sandra. I'm pretty sure my CPU is locked.
 
stigggeh said:
i could be totally off the mark on this one.... so here goes.

i vaugely remember SL6WU had more chance of being 30 capper than SL6WK (but like i say i could be totally wrong)

check it has 30 transistors? on the underside, its usually a sign of it being a 'better' clocker than the ones with less.


The SL6WU has got 12 little boxes on the bottom if that tells you anything.
 
Justintime said:
Try upping the dimm voltage to 2.7 or 2.8 and maybe try 3 3 3 8 timings to see if things go further.

Just had a look in my BIOS can't see an option to increase DIMM Voltage but there is a DDR Reference Voltage Option currently set to Auto. No sign of how to adjust timings to 3-3-3-8?

Noticed in the CPU settings CPUID Max Value Limit disabled. Should I enable this feature?

Is it worth fitting the 3.0 SL6WU or will I ger pretty much the same results with my 2.8 SL6WJ?
 
Is their a way of checking if it's the Ram holding me back? Using Autoclock at 10% everything is rock steady at 3.08Ghz.

I didn't get round to changing CPUs at weekend but should it also clock 10% giving me 3.3Ghz or might the RAM cause me a problem???
 
Autooverclocking isnt very sophisticated. Switch to manual autoclockinging, and under memory turn the MAM to off. I never managed to get MAM active except at near stock speeds.

There's another setting on the same screen as the manual overclocking option, dont remember its exact name but it has options Auto, Disabled and Enabled if I remember right.. Might just be Enabled and Auto... Make sure its Auto as well. Basically your trying to make sure that the board doesnt try to enable MAM at all. MAM is an asus 'hack' to enable PAT on the 865 chipset.

By disabling MAM you'll probably get a lot more than 10% overclock. My P4P800 was stable with FSB at 266,([email protected])

I dont remember how that board describes its memory speed, some use a ratio, but I 'think' that board lets you pick the memory speed from a list. 400 will be the 1:1 ratio, 333 will be 5:4, 266 3:2. Anyway if you start out with the memory at the slowest speed (266 or 3:2), then you can clock the system as fast as the possible and more than likely will find the cpu/motherboard limits. Then once you know that, you can start at a lower cpu speed, but with the memory running faster until you find the fastest speed the ram works at.

Then pick the best combination of memory/cpu performance. Thats the tough part. Best performance is normally a balancing act, a massive cpu overclock can be slower than a modest cpu overclock with the ram running at the highest speed possible.

You'll also be able to 'tune' the memory settings to get optimal performance. Memory settings you need to start with big numbers, and gradually work down.

(Thats the CAS and similar settings). Perfect ram would use 2-2-2-5-1T settings, but not all ram will do that, shouldnt need to go much worse than 3-3-3-8 though.

Hope that helps.
 
CMOS Clr is your friend :P, It wouldnt surprise me if you need to clear cmos a few times while your getting to know your motherboard.

I saw a few posts back you couldnt find the memory timings, they are on a separate page, I believe your board only shows that bios menu after you have enabled manual overclocking. Its locked out during 5%/10% automatic overclocking.
 
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