Which processor for my new motherboard?

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Hi all..

Used to build a lot of pc's, for myself and friends.. but it has been a while.. Now i have my new Gigabyte Z170x Gaming 7 board in the post and I am trying to wade through the huge amount of conflicting data out there about processors.. I cant go nuts on price, up to £200 if it is really worth it, is my budget..

I was looking at i7, but also read that a better i5 is an improvement over a poorer i7, and that some i5's need a bios update on this board.. making my head spin so thought I would try you guys..
I am into gaming, video and photo processing..

Will also be getting a good gpu next, maybe nvidia 8gb if my wallet will stretch that far..
Any suggestions folks..?
 
No advice yet, but after exhaustive reading and sifting through biased reviews, reckon the skylake i5 3.5Ghz 6600k is looking reasonable value for money.. Anyone give me reasons not to go for this?
 
The 6600k is a great gaming processor (especially when slightly overclocked) however you may find it will not be quite as efficient when it comes to the video/photo editing as the i7 would be, i'm not saying it will be a slouch by any means, it just may not be quite on par in that specific area of work compared to the i7 6700k, those extra threads can make a bit of a difference in some tasks and also make it a bit ore futureproof in my opinion.
If you don't just solely game and often work (video/photo edit etc) then have you also thought about a Ryzen processor? Some of these probably offer more bang for buck overall and you could save a few quid.
 
Hey Jamie..
Had a look at the i7 6700 and there seems to be only a small difference in benchmarks with the i5.. But I have to admit, there is a bewildering array of reviews out there that compare these processors in some quite different ways.. Are they not both 4 core and 8 thread..? Last benchmark I looked at the i7 gained less than 6% in performance over the i5, but was considerably more expensive.. I had locked onto the i5 as a good all round chip for the price but to be honest, the choices out there are so insanely complicated now, especially as I stopped looking at this stuff many years ago..

Dont think the Ryzen will fit my new motherboard, which should arrive today..!
 
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Go with the i7 if you can, will help with video and photo processing. Pair it up with 16gb RAM and it should last you a few good years.

How much are you willing to spend for the GPU? A 1060 6gb is a good GPU for 1080p gaming, maybe stretch to a 1070 if you can.

You should've asked for a complete build instead of buying the motherboard first :p. You might've got more worth for your budget.
 
So many options out there, had to start somewhere and am happy at my choice of motherboard.. I know you guys are eeking out every every erg of performance with your builds, used to do that myself.. But now am upgrading my 10 year old machine to something solid with good performance.. Have 32Gb of ram ready, 256Gb ssd, am looking at spending most of my (limited) budget on a decent gpu which is also another area of bewildering choice..
But I really have been stuck on the processor.. So many flavours out there.. Not looking to squeeze out a couple of extra fps on a game for an extra £300, just looking for something solid with decent performance for the price.. Every review I have seen shows a tiny boost in performance for the i7 over the i5, they have the same number of cores and threads, both around 3.5Ghz and overclockable.. Is there really a big difference in the two? apart from the price? Would rather put the difference in cash towards a better gpu..
 
Ah.. Hyper threading.. that seems to be the main difference between the i5 and the i7 as far as I can see (please correct me if I am wrong).. Seems odd that it is present on i3 and i7, but not i5.. Seen very varied results of the hyper threading boost, very software dependent it seems.. But I will take a harder look at the i7 now for this feature alone.. Damn, loads of flavours of i7 too.. Gonna be a looong day... Suggestions very welcome please..
 
Before Coffee Lake, Intel's line was pretty much this for the midrange platform:

i3 = 2 cores, 4 threads
i5 = 4 cores, 4 threads
i7 = 4 cores, 8 threads

Main reason why I recommended the i7 is because of hyperthreading, as the extra theads will significantly help with video processing and maybe photos too depending on what you're doing. For games, recent titles are now able to take advantage of the extra threads so it will be more future proof in the long run.

The i7-6600K will probably be the cheapest i7 you'll be able to find that's compatible with your board, so I'll go with that with a good cooler and overclock it. There's also the i7-7600K but you may need to flash the BIOS to support it.
 
If you have a Z170 chipset motherboard then it would be a slight waste of cash on those chipset features (such as the overclocking abilities) if you turn around and buy yourself a locked (non 'k' series) processor. As above with what Orcvader has said, the naming scheme for the processors for the Z170 chipset/6th gen skylake is i3=2 cores 4 threads, i5=4 cores/4 threads, i7=4 cores 8 threads with any model number without a 'k' at the end being locked and non overclockable. The Z170 chipset boards were the highest chipset motherboards available for skylake (6th gen i3, i5 and i7 processors) and also had the significantly higher price to match those features (the most prominent feature being that Z170 chipset motherboards allow overclocking of the 'k series' CPUs). If you aren't overclocking then the extra money paid to buy a Z170 board will likely be a bit of a waste.

Most games (until recently) were developed to only see or utilise 4 cores/4threads with many utilising even less, so in many gaming scenarios or benchmarks an i5 (4 core 4 thread) will compete and do almost as well as an i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads (because it will only use half of the thread count of the i7 but all of the power/threads/core count of the i5)...this is where you will only see that small percentage with differences in benchmarks between an i7 or an i5......

As i stated, if you only game then an i5 is good bang for buck and a cheaper option/saving on the i7, however, you stated you photo edit and video edit etc... this is where the i7 will show its superiority over the i5. The programs for editing etc normally uitilise and were developed to make use of all 4 cores, 8 threads and more, the i5 wont be a slouch by any means but the i7 will be a fair bit quicker in these types of scenarios. Threads or 'multithreading' are just terms used for virtual cores for each individual physical core that can simultaneously do work at the same time, this has benefits in many work focused tasks.

As Orcvader also said, there are some newer game titles that will also use more than 4 cores in gaming scenarios, so the i7 is more futureproof when compared to the i5. He also rightly informed you that although Z170 was initially designed for skylake 6th gen processors, if you have or are running the latest bios on that board, then it will in fact also support any 7th gen kabylake processor (socket 1151) so like he's said, you may well be best going for one of them.
The 8th gen coffee lake also uses the same 1151 pin array but that is unsupported on your board due to power delivery restrictions with the pin configuration, so don't consider or get confused with one of those as even if they will physically fit the socket and are also using the same total 1151 pins, they wont work in your board.

I suggested Ryzen to you for the fact you say you video edit etc, these are good chips for workers and although they are slightly slower on IPC (instructions per clock) and also have a typically lower max core clock frequency compared to intel, many of them offer more cores and more threads for even less cash than Intel offer and this also makes them better for some work tasks than intels best 6th/7th gen processors.
Games tend to be smoother and get better framerates with an intel processor due to its better single core clockspeeds and IPC (depending on your graphics card, the resolution played at and the refresh rate of your monitor) but Ryzen can also game very well and isn't too far behind, However Ryzen adds that advantage in work focused/multithreaded tasks whilst saving you cash as well.
Really the options are endless and up to you personally but the best processor for you would depend mainly on what you do the most (gaming or working).

Hope this all makes sense :-)
 
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Thank you so much guys.. Was getting so bogged down with the huge array of processors this board takes, and really did not know which way to turn.. When I used to build PC's there was simply not the choice or variety that exists today.. Also, the processors of that time were quite distinctive in performance. Seems the past few years, as manufacturers have hit the silicon limit, progress is made in smaller leaps, which may explain so many chips with smaller differences..
Your explanations have been thorough and detailed and I have been very appreciative of the time you guys have spared me..
So I have stretched my wallet and gone for an i7 7700K, and had a word with my local computer shop who will lend me a skylake celeron processor so I can update the bios to take the Kaby Lake processor..
Researching GPU's next..!
 
Seems you've totally got it sorted now and even got the skylake chip to upgrade the bios for the kabylake (thinking ahead wisely) however some boards do in fact offer the ability to upgrade bios via usb with no cpu in the socket...

It's a great choice of processor and until coffee lake was released it was the best gaming processor money could buy, its also no slouch in work related tasks either as it does include those extra threads when called upon.

I'll be honest, i wasn't sure cash-wise what your budget was or what you do mostly (game or work) so felt maybe the bang for buck cheaper option in Ryzen may have been a good call (especially if gaming was more of a side hobby) but if i personally only had a Z170 board to hand then the 7700k would always be my number 1 selection, its the priciest but it's also the best all round performer for the board.

Good luck with it all and if you want any advice on GPU's, i'll gladly try and help :-) In fact i'll just leave you with one bit of advice............

Many will most likely advise you to buy a 1080ti without even knowing what your setup is. I see this card purchased regularly and it often ends up as cash being wasted. Don't get me wrong, it's an absolute brute of a card, but people buy this for bragging rights at £700+ because everyone's advised them and told them its the best that money can buy. I've seen them bought and coupled with a 1080p 60hz monitor where their processor has ended up getting hammered at 100% trying to process and cope with the 3/400+fps 1080p from the mighty gpu, the user consequently suffers significant screen tearing on their 60hz monitor and wonders why. Most of these buyers will moan about their performance and are baffled having spent £700+ that their gaming machine has worse performance than their mates old £300 rig from yesteryear. These people usually end taking to the internet for help and are then advised to use vsync to rectify the issue, but when you're doing this, you're essentially locking and choking a mighty gpus output to the max refresh rate of the monitor (so in this case 60hz/60fps), this then puts the choked 1080ti performance into the same kind of performance bracket you could have been having from a gtx 980 or a gtx 1060 (all for nearly a quarter of the price). In so many cases, a 1080ti (or top of the line gpu) is an overkill purchase that ends up living its entire life as being pure untapped performance potential that will never be utilised and will slowly be wasted away along with the cash it was purchased with. In many scenarios a lesser/cheaper alternative that's more compatible/suited to an individuals monitor/setup may even have better, smoother and more consistent performance than a choked up 1080ti would.
 
Ah Jamie.. good advice and mind reading..! was up in the wee hours looking at exactly the issue of marrying up a graphics card and a monitor.. Actually, I run 2 monitors at the moment, neither of which would grace the system of any decent gamer.. But I do like the convenience of a pair of monitors so will configure the new system around that that too..
So if the monitor is the limiting factor with the graphics card, perhaps I should start there, then get a graphics card to match..?
Sorry if I am going off topic now, this probably does not belong in the cpu section..
Again, a bewildering array of monitors, with some crazy prices, even at 60Hz.. My pc usage is probably, 80% games, 10% photo/video editing, and the rest is design work (cad-cam) and cubase (music), oh and I do like to watch a HD movie on the second monitor while doing all the other stuff..
Like the look of the 4k monitors, and think 4k will be the norm for movies/tv at some point.. But it also looks like newish tech and the prices seem to reflect that.. I have no probs going second hand with any of this stuff, the years have taught me more prudence, patience and have eroded my penchance for shiny new things..
Will continue research today with monitors first, then try to fit a gpu to it all..
 
If you're planning on going 4K then yes the 1080Ti would be best but it is indeed expensive. You could get away with the 1080 instead or maybe even the 1070 if you're willing to sacrifice a few quality settings. For movies, all recent GPUs including the low end ones will have hardware decoders for 4K content, so no need to worry about that slowing down your games on your main monitor.
 
Hey Orcvader..
Been reading the posts here, and numerous other online articles about 4k tv's vs overpriced monitors.. Feel like (with the help of you guys) I have managed to negotiate one mine field, only to step into a bigger one..!
Am looking at the feasibility of a larger 4k tv, and doing all my stuff in separate windows.. Like the look of the SAMSUNG UE49KS9000 or even the 55" version wall mounted.. Either way its looking like my wallet is gonna get another pounding..!
 
If you are no competitive gamer then a TV can be fantastic bang for buck, but it does have its negatives.

You have to be quite specific when trying to buy a tv for pc gaming because the specs of the tv really will make an overall difference in many scenarios.
As Orcvader says, 4k gaming is where you really will benefit from those real high end cards such as the 1080/1080ti, the processor can also keep up as the gpu will have to shift 4x the pixel density per frame compared to 1080p. Using 4k instead of 1080p will roughly quarter the framerate output so the cpu can process the lesser frames more easily.
A good example: 1920x1080 resolution gaming with a 1080ti may produce 300 frames per second for the cpu to then have to process (bringing its knees) where as that same gpu being pushed at 3840x2160 (4k) will create roughly 4x times the picture quality with 4x the pixel density (meaning it's working 4x harder thus creating 4x less frames for the cpu to have to process and at a far more reasonable 75ish fps).

Some people prefer framerates to eye candy (people like smoother gameplay with no shuddering/ghosting in fast motion scenes), personally, i prefer eye candy as long as the frames are enough to barely notice this shuddering/ghosting effect....i think you can really feel it/see it with the game being not so enjoyable when its being played at 30fps or lower. The best i find to aim for (and what is deemed to be the minimum benchmark) is a solid 60fps. If i can add eye candy, id happily sacrifice framerates above 60fps to add some more......

This is where you need to be picky about tv specs, it means your TV needs to be able to cope with 4k/60fps, so you want your tv to have a 60hz panel, but also be aware that some tvs (admittedly not so much with the newer ones/decent branded ones) can have a 60hz 4k panel but only have old hdmi revision ports on their AV boards. These tvs can do 60fps but only at 1080p and although the panel can technically do 60hz 4k, the hdmi 1.4 revision ports on the av boards are restricted to only supporting data bandwidth for 30hz (30fps) when plugged into a 4k source. Make sure the tv has a 60hz panel and at least an hdmi 2.0 revision port which was the revision to add support for 60fps at 4k with hdcp 2.2 (hdmi 2.0a further adds support for HDR content and the newer 2017 hdmi 2.0b ports add support for hybrid log gamma). Whilst i'm on the subject it also reminds me of another total waste of money on bragging rights....people buy a PS4 Pro for gaming and brag it delivers HDR content but most are using non hdmi 2.0a revision TVs, this in turn renders the HDR feature on the ps4 pro absolutely useless.
Anyway, back to subject....so yes..... a tv with hdmi 2.0 (at least), a 4k display with a 60hz panel and finally you'll need to check reviews or specs for input lag.....Unlike monitors, this is where tv's lack and have their downsides....most tvs have a bit of a lengthy input lag, this is where you will say press to say fire a gun and the response on the screen will come a split second or so after (due to the tvs image processing).....some can be really bad in this area where as others can be pretty good (plenty low enough lag to barely notice)....My tv has a specific games mode which reduces input lag to around 10ms, this to me is barely noticeable (some may argue otherwise) but i have seen some (and used some) that when you press fire for example, it is almost a second or 2 delay before you see the action replicated on screen.....you really don't want this.
Some tvs offer better and faster processing but a lot of the main manufacturers use funny terms for their panels and processing (such as clear motion index or clear motion rate)....just try to get as faster processing tv you can afford with a 4k/60 panel and at least hdmi 2.0 ports.... that way youll be set for 4k gaming.

As i myself prefer eye candy over framerates (as long as near 60fps) i persoanally use a 65" 4k HDR samsung TV as my main driver. I'm also no keyboard fan for gaming so use a PS4 controller and when i'm browsing or doing standard work related tasks, i use a standard, lightweight, non flashy wireless logitech keyboard with a built in trackpad/touchpad (like a laptop)....this way i can cabbage myself on the sofa and browse in comfort, Sod all these stiff upright car seats with your eyeballs pressed against a monitor so small there's so much density of pixels you don't need more than 1080p... i'd rather be laid back on a sofa, in comfort and see the crispness from a distance on a huge display that's cost less than some 32" monitors do (whilst also justifying and seeing the benefits of those 3840x2160 pixels you've paid for).

To finish up this huge enthusiastic Essay (i'm a tech geek), Orcvader was also right when he states about 4k video on processors... displaying 4k video that's already been developed (so to speak) is easy for a processor, it's simply read and display, i'ts when you ask a cpu to render or create 4k moving images from scratch/code that it becomes taxing. Be aware however that as far as i'm aware, if you happen to use the very common Netflix 4k and intend to use it on pc that any 6th gen intel cpu or lower wont support 4k from netflix. Netflix requires 10bit HEVC decoding support for its codec and this was not added to intel cpus until the 7th gen kabylake lineup,. (another potential reason to get the 7700k).

Wow, this has been a one hell of a big write-up....i'm far too enthusiastic..... once again i hope my rambling on has made some parts sense, good luck with it all, if you need anymore help, give me a shout and i'll try and do my best to help. :)
 
Be aware however that as far as i'm aware, if you happen to use the very common Netflix 4k and intend to use it on pc that any 6th gen intel cpu or lower wont support 4k from netflix. Netflix requires 10bit HEVC decoding support for its codec and this was not added to intel cpus until the 7th gen kabylake lineup,. (another potential reason to get the 7700k).

Just a slight correction on this, Netflix doesn't need a Kabylake CPU if you're using an Nvidia 10 series GPU, as the video decoder themselves is on the GPU. So OP is even safe to go with Skylake as long as he gets the right GPU with the right video decoder.
 
Just a slight correction on this, Netflix doesn't need a Kabylake CPU if you're using an Nvidia 10 series GPU, as the video decoder themselves is on the GPU. So OP is even safe to go with Skylake as long as he gets the right GPU with the right video decoder.

Ah, thanks for that update Orcvader :-), i know as a 4k tv owner that Netflix is one of the main and only sources of actual 4k movie content and that this was very much an issue for me when i purchased my 6700k (i had a gtx 980ti at the time)...i wasn't aware they added support to the 10th series GPU's as i've not looked back into it since buying the kabylake 7700k, but that's very handy to know....I just thought i'd mention it as i was pretty cheesed off at the time that i had just bought a brand new shiny 6700k and couldn't even watch my 4k netflix on my 4k tv (my main monitor). Not everyone uses Netflix, but those with a 4k tv as a monitor probably need advising....either way, cheers for the input :-)
 
Hi Guys..
Sorry for delay in responding.. went fishing..! Pike for supper...
Time for a bit of clarity on my part.. Am actually building 2 computers, one for my son whom is a coding and gaming whizz and likes to do mathematical stuff (fractals, game design etc) with his, and he has a htc vive VR.. For me I love films, tv series (scifi fan) etc, gaming (flight and space sims) along with photo, video and design work (cad) and music (cubase).. So pretty much a mixed bag for both of us..

So far I have bought (all x 2);

i7 core 7700k kabylake
z170 gaming 7 board
Coolermaster box 5 case
Kolink KL-700M 700W psu
ZOTAC GeForce� GTX 1080 8Gb
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO cpu cooler
Samsung 951 m.2 ssd 256GB

Currently scratching around for ram.. Have 32Gb but we moved recently and when I dug it out of the box, its DDR3.. Found some Gskill trident DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8Gb) and am waiting on a reply from the seller before I move on that..
Also building a mining rig.. more on that later..

Found your replies invaluable guys.. Sooo many ways to go with a PC build nowadays, trying to catch up on all the latest shiny things and not to get bedazzled by all the glitzy ads claiming everything for everyone..
Will wait until after xmas to get our monitors (Jan sales?).. I favour a good 4k tv myself, my son is still wedded to his pair of hd monitors (he likes to run multiple progs and games) but am trying to persuade him he can still do that with a big 4k tv..
So here we are..! Most of the above still arriving by post but reckon it should all be in by the end of the week and so will break out my biggest hammer and begin building.. Oh, and went for a cheap skylake celeron for the mining rig so will use that to update the bios on the z170 mobo's..
 
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