Which would be quicker??

[ikari1]

ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X ***Crossfire/Master Edition*** SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4

Or 2 of these Crossfired

HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB GDDR3

 

[Lolcb]

Get 8800GTS

 

[peetee]

a 8800GTS, 320mb or 640mb, your choice, crossfiring pros or buying an xt-x is plain retarded at this point in time.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Get 8800GTS

Agreed, no point at all buying an old gen Dx9 card when you can get a new gen, much faster Dx10 card for the same price or cheaper, the 320mb 8800 GTS is sub £200, and is faster than the more expensive x1950 XTX, plus its a new gen Dx10 card, not an old gen Dx9 like the x1950 XTX, and all ATi cards.

ATi cards are worthless now.

 

[bakes0310]

ATi cards are worthless now.

that comment is gonna offend some fanboys

 

[LoadsaMoney]

that comment is gonna offend some fanboys

Probably, but its the truth im afraid, why would you want an old Gen Dx9 x1950pro for about £150, or an old gen x1950 XT 256 for about £164 when you can get the much faster next gen Dx10 8800 GTS for around £190, be mad to buy an old gen ATi card now, ive just gone from an x1800 XT 512mb to the GTS, only way to go, had to go Nvidia as ATi do not have any new gen cards out, only old Dx9 ones, Nvidia is the only option until ATi get their R600's out, end March, beginning April imo, id have loved to have stayed ATi, fantastic cards, but what can you do when they only have old gen Dx9 ones out, buy another old gen Dx9 card for around the price of a new gen much faster Dx10 card, i doubt it.

 

[PU7E]

well i didnt jump on the 8800 death train for 2 reasons

1.the 8800 doesnt use unified shaders wich dx10 is one of the points of dx10 and the r600 does

2.whats the point in getting a dx10 card now to make your sig pretty when theres what 1 proper dx10 game out

im waiting for a nice r600 not too long now march april time then il prob still have to wait for dx10 games and il have a better gfx card

 

[PU7E]

ATi cards are worthless now.

i think you couldnt be more wrong look at that nice extra slot on the dfi rd600 mobo whats it for using your old ATI card as a pysics processor so you get even shinyer graphics with your nice new r600 dx10 card

 

[Darkwave]

ATi cards are worthless now.

Nah, the X1950Pro 256MB is still great at £110 (£125 for Accelero X2 pre-fitted) but the X1900XT/X and X1950XT/X are just not good value for money now the 8800GTS 320MB is out at £200.

1.the 8800 doesnt use unified shaders wich dx10 is one of the points of dx10 and the r600 does

8800 does use unified shaders, and nobody buys an 8800 for DX10 that would be daft.

 

[Dark_Angel]

well i didnt jump on the 8800 death train for 2 reasons

1.the 8800 doesnt use unified shaders wich dx10 is one of the points of dx10 and the r600 does

2.whats the point in getting a dx10 card now to make your sig pretty when theres what 1 proper dx10 game out

im waiting for a nice r600 not too long now march april time then il prob still have to wait for dx10 games and il have a better gfx card

1. Yes it does :/

2. Because the cards are the fastest out at the moment for DX9 games. I purchased one, and I dont have it in my signature either, so it wasn't for asthetics.... (well, it was because Oblivion sure looks pretty )

If the R600 is a lot faster, I will sell the card I have at the moment. but the 200 I paid for my 320MB 8800 GTS is great Value For Money. I think that will see me thru to the new NV refresh.

BTW, I am only running windows XP. Just to let you know how little I care about DX10 till lots of cool games come out with it

 

[drunkenmaster]

Probably, but its the truth im afraid, why would you want an old Gen Dx9 x1950pro for about £150, or an old gen x1950 XT 256 for about £164 when you can get the much faster next gen Dx10 8800 GTS for around £190, be mad to buy an old gen ATi card now, ive just gone from an x1800 XT 512mb to the GTS, only way to go, had to go Nvidia as ATi do not have any new gen cards out, only old Dx9 ones, Nvidia is the only option until ATi get their R600's out, end March, beginning April imo, id have loved to have stayed ATi, fantastic cards, but what can you do when they only have old gen Dx9 ones out, buy another old gen Dx9 card for around the price of a new gen much faster Dx10 card, i doubt it.

lol, i'm sorry but i had to buy a nvidia because there wasn't a dx10 ati card out? was that to play the dx 10 games out way before the r600 is out? or to use with dx10 drivers that work flawlessly right now on a 8800 series card? pp..........lease.


i've got a 8800 640mb gts, because well i spend equal amounts of time at uni with my 1900xt and at home with my x800 gt which wasn't cutting it. so i actually did need something more powerful, yeah i've got two good cards but had a few knee operations and am stuck in house a lot at uni or here and so got a lotta time to kill.

fact is the 8800gts is newer gen and well we all HOPE it will run dx10 games fine without lots of bluescreening but it is NOT hugely faster, infact i can't find any decent benchmarks to prove how much faster it is. can you?

i'm not sure if a certain site owned by a certain david ross (which when i posted a few years ago the site was frowned apon by the powers that be here) but there bang for buck holds up the 1900xtx at better value than the 8800gtx/gts, it beats the gts in like 75% of the benchmarks and only loses out to the gtx by small amounts, as in it gets between 70-90% of the fps the gtx gets and even at its lowest and very worst benchmark it gets more than playable fps even at 1900x1200.

so other than 3dmark where does it make a difference. ok for the 0.008% of people on this forum with 30" dell/apple monitors it might be needed, any other games?

EDIT:- lets go with anandtech, the x1900xtx at 1920x1200 with 4xaa in battlefield still gets 84fps which is more than playable, the gts 320mb version gets 70 fps while the 640mb version gets 105fps.

all three playable, though assuming averages that 320mb version is most likely to be dipping to the lowest fps at points. but its losing over 30% of its performance due to not having enough memory. theres no reason to buy a 320mb version of the gts as it has enough raw power for high res gaming but not enough memory for the textures, for not much more a 640mb card is far better value but there aren't any games a x1800 or x1900 game can't cope with at pretty damned high res, definately more than livable with when it comes to waiting 2 months(if that, most likely just over a month) for a 99% likely to be faster card. at the very worst it will drop 8800 series prices. upgrading now is a bad idea unless, like in my weird situation a x800 just won't cut it on a 1650x1080 native res screen

not denying the gtx isn't fast, but unless you have a screen that does above 1600x1200 then there is absolutely nothing to be gained by it unless you really think 100fps is crap and 130fps is great. the GTX is a really powerful card, but very very unlikely to be more powerful than the r600 for the same price and not a game that can utilise its power till after the r600 is out.

 

[peetee]

2.whats the point in getting a dx10 card now to make your sig pretty when theres what 1 proper dx10 game out

The 8800s mince through every dx9 game out at the moment, at sub £200, and with a better image quality than anything else.
90% of 8800 owners wont even have vista and dont care about dx10 right now.
Vistas not ready for games yet to be honest, sub xp performance etc.
This means dx10 is currently a questionable platform(as its vista only?)
My 8800 will be fine with dx10 games when they come out. Maybes the r600 will be better, but ATI are releasing it to late, I was due an upgrade months ago, I stalled long enough for 8800s to become more affordable.

They're very attractive cards. x1950pros are too, for there price, but the OPs asking about crossfiring two. 2x1950pros for over £200, or a 8800GTS thats also got dx10 capabilitys. No choice.

 

[ikari1]

DP!!

 

[ikari1]

They're very attractive cards. x1950pros are too, for there price, but the OPs asking about crossfiring two. 2x1950pros for over £200, or a 8800GTS thats also got dx10 capabilitys. No choice.


No i'm not..... I'm asking which is faster

ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X ***Crossfire/Master Edition*** SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4

Or 2 of these Crossfired

HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB GDDR3

 

[Darkwave]

The answer is neither of those options are even remotely good value for money right now when you can get an 8800GTS 320MB for £200 and an 8800GTS640MB for £50-75 more.

 

[phatboy]

anddddddddddd off the rails the thread goes lol

depends what sort of gaming you are going to be doing bud, resolutions etc. the X1950 pro will do a great job up until high resolutions then the xtx will pull away

i personally think the PRO is the better all round card simply coz of bang for buck . As also said above, the 8800 is a v good card, just depends what you wann spend and how much you care about DX10

Ben

 

[Jack Bauer]

at the very worst it will drop 8800 series prices. upgrading now is a bad idea unless, like in my weird situation a x800 just won't cut it on a 1650x1080 native res screen

got to consider the loss im resale value of your current card tho, my x1800xt was losing money so fast i had to get rid, i was lucky to get £100 for it

 

[cavemanoc]

ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X ***Crossfire/Master Edition*** SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4

Or 2 of these Crossfired

HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB GDDR3

Ask a simple question, get a lot of drivel...

I can't find anything based on the 1950's in crossfire, but you can compair the cards on the Interactive Chart at Tom's Hardware

Mostly you will see that it's a hugely subjective question as it depends on what game you're playing, at what resolution, with which shiny-enhancers enabled.

Have a play on the chart with what you think is a representative benchmark for you (I play games at the HL2 - 1600x1200 - 4aa 8af level so that's a good one for me!)

The biggest problem is that CF is more effective in some games than others - I know with some they actually run slower! I think you'de probably get more consistant performance out of the XT-x card (and they're a snip at £140ish now!!)

I'll keep looking and if I can find and answer to the question you posed (a novel concept to some apparently) I'll let you know

EDIT: Here we go - some basic Numbers

That page is quite useful as it gives you percentage scaling - How much faster 2 cards are than one for several different games. Using my HL2 example above you get the following:

1950 pro (single): 54.5
1950xt-x (single): 75
1950 pro (2 in CF): 92.6

So in this case the 2 1950pro's are faster

 

[Darkwave]

Suggesting a better, single-card solution for the same money or less that will offer a more reliable and more future-proof performance increase is drivel? Still thinking about X1950Pro Crossfire or X1950XT with the 8800GTS on the market at £200-£270 is drivel to me.

Two X1950Pros is about £220, you can get an 8800GTS 320MB for ~£199 now.

Where's the sense in going X1950Pro Crossfire? I don't see it.

 

[melbourne720]

Suggesting a better, single-card solution for the same money or less that will offer a more reliable and more future-proof performance increase is drivel? Still thinking about X1950Pro Crossfire or X1950XT with the 8800GTS on the market at £200-£270 is drivel to me.

Q.F.T.