Which x570 board for new build

davidmt83 said:
Cheers all, lots to think about.

One final question, which would you pick out of the Elite and...

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Features important to me:
- quiet fan / silent mode if available
- WiFi
- audio
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aorus, better UK RMA . believe VRM set up as well is better

as a head up, ITX Aorus is the better designed board then TUF and Elite- also smaller footprint ;)

dont waste cash on the ULTRA. The Aorus Pro is the same PCB - just different looks and differing VRM cooler . can Pick up the Pro Wifi or same price as non Wifi I think, but a while ago. Aorus do sell Elite Wifi but not in UK :(

also, Gigabyte RX 5700 GAMING OC.
Better UK RMA and support via rep on here (@GIGA-Man ) and matches the Devil in performance almost . Gamer Nexus gave a solid review of the card and is on sale !

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Gigabyte is releasing Aorus version soon which should take the performance lead Navi 5700 XT- but extra costs

Id save cash and get Bequiet Base 500 - solid panel and add 4x 120mm Silent wing fans for same effect

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snips86x said:
The additional EPC connectors are just for CPU power should you need to overclock it more. The normal 8 pin will be fine and the difference between them is probably minimal (I've not compared them).
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Thanks for that - the spec vs real life difference is always hard to determine when you're trying to future-proof as much as possible. The irony of all this is that I bought a fairly decent motherboard and good cooler for my current build and then didn't ever overclock my CPU. I must be about the only person running a 3770k at stock! I also discovered the RAM has been running at 1,333Mhz all this time rather than it's quoted 1,600Mhz. All pretty moronic of me!! I might have a play with overclocking this weekend actually...

PWM is Pulse Width Modulation - it allows you to control the fans based on temp and they'll change dynamically. If all your fans are set to PWM and you start gaming, the motherboard temp sensors will increase the fan speed to shift more air due to heat. If you stop playing, they'll ramp down. This also works for CPU/GPU load.
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Oops, got my TLAs in a twist there. I meant VRM rather than PWM (I've decided I'm getting PWM fans as I want the machine to be as quiet as possible). But yeah, VRM and phases probably links in with the above and never getting round to overclocking.

That said, I am erring slightly towards the Aorus Ultra or Pro ATX now rather than the Elite.
 
davidmt83 said:
Features important to me:
- quiet fan / silent mode if available
- WiFi
- audio
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Challenge of X570 boards for quietness is that chipset cooling.
And there the best starting position for low noise is of course efficiency of cooling, like in case of any active cooling using part.

Meaning least obstructions for fan to allow lowest RPM per airflow.
So of course **** for brains marketroids making crap for buyers with equally much brains compete in who can put the most restrictive marketing garbage on top of that fan.​
And how cool cooling air cooler gets:
If chipset runs at above 50C with cooler getting some 25C air, it's sure to need lot more cooling if graphics card dumps 50C air onto it.
So having chipset cooler farther from gaphics card slot is big plus for that.
Naturally marketroids just slap it to worst place, because nothing but looks matter and engineer who tells otherwise likely gets demoted/fired.​
Because of Aorus Elite being low in product stuck marketroids likely neglected crapping all over it.


Wouldn't pay any extra for/pay special attention to integrated sound card.
If it works for needs, good... If it doesn't, just buy separate sound card you can keep over PC upgrades.

No matter how much audiofoolery hype it has, there's no guarantee of it being free of interference.
There's been cases also on this forum with integrated sound card of expensive mobo being EMI magnet.
Also when it comes to using headphones, people have complained that those super hyped implementations of expensive Asus boards are unable to drive 250 ohm Beyerdynamics loud enough.
Even though basic implementation of dozen years old Realtek chip can do that!
And in case of gaming/watching movies with headphones integrated sound cards lack important for immersion feature: HRTF



Buffalo2102 said:
The Elite also has Intel network adapter, rather than the Realtek on the TUF.

The TUF also has more fan headers

The additional 4-pin power connector on the TUF is optional and you'd probably never need it.
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Intel NIC has at least one major advantage over Realtek.
While Intel hasn't been consumer's friend in CPUs in many many years, they offer their latest NIC drivers directly.
But good luck for getting drivers from Realtek as consumer.

Aorus Elite surely doesn't have excess of fan headers, but average user doesn't need that many:
If case has two or three front fans, it's logical to have them running at same speed and use splitter.
Similarly top exhaust fan could be run in parallel with rear exhaust.
So already three fan headers is good for normal PC.

Only time when more than 8 pin CPU power connector is needed is when even the biggest radiators won't cut it in CPU cooling.
8 pin EPS12V connector is officially rated for ~380 watts.
Marketroids just slap those extra connectors there to scam buyers.
 
Seearbe said:
So the Elite might have slightly better audio quality, according to the stats, apparently.
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Like I said motherboard integrated audio is crap shoot in what you actually get, no matter how much expensive hype it has.

Seearbe said:
Oops, got my TLAs in a twist there. I meant VRM rather than PWM (I've decided I'm getting PWM fans as I want the machine to be as quiet as possible). But yeah, VRM and phases probably links in with the above and never getting round to overclocking.

That said, I am erring slightly towards the Aorus Ultra or Pro ATX now rather than the Elite.
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Unlike in case of previous AM4 boards (almost completely crap or average VRMs) Aorus Elite is level where you get strong modern VRM.
Asus and Gigabyte made 180 turn in VRM quality for X570.

Also phase number itself isn't automatic guarantee of quality.
MSI uses is eight phases (four from controller+doublers) in their lower X570 boards, but those VRMs are garbage in X570 terms because of using weak phases.
(in fact same total current handling capability as in four phase B450 boards)
Asus again has four phase VRMs in half of their X570 boards, but those are very strong to extremely strong phases and enough for 16 cores.
(phase count just has effect to other areas of VRM design)

Aorus Elite has same six phase controller + (current balancing) doublers scheme as in Aorus Pro and Ultra.
(good strong phases in all)
Again that chipset cooling design worsens the higher you go likely from increase of marketroid meddling:
Aorus Elite has unbstructed fan farther from graphics card. >
Aorus Pro moves fan closer to graphics card. >
Aorus Ultra adds that stupid marketing crap on top of fan to sabotage it.
I mean WTF? Shouldn't we get better quality when paying more?
 
On my board at least there are two M.2 slots - 1 is direct to the CPU, the 2nd goes via the chipset. So I would guess that there might be an effect on the chipset temperature during sustained operation to a M.2 in the 2nd slot.

I'm no expert though, that's just my supposition.
 
Check the gigabyte forums, but Aorus Pro Wifi did have a *lot* of issues with the WiFi, in which case you would be better off ditching the onboard and adding in a card.
 
Have you considered a USB3 WiFi adapter?
I have one and it allowed me to re-position the adapter away from the PC and increase my transfer speed (when compared to a card fitted in the PC case).
 
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