Who uses sunbeds?

Haulk, have you ever tried taking high doses of fish oil for your skin problem? that has been showed to help with inflammatory disease. Also eating tons of fresh pinneapple (for the bromelian).

Here's something that backs up what Haulk said:

Caucasians are surprisingly prone to sunburn. Ultraviolet radiation within the UVB bandwidth causes photochemical alterations in both the DNA and membrane lipids of epidermal cells (Halliday, 2005). Furthermore, low doses of UVB appear to coordinately suppress keratinocyte proliferation and stimulate cellular maturation. Surprisingly, low doses of UVB also suppress certain arms of the adaptive immune system (Halliday, 2005). For example, UVB treatment depresses acute and delayed hypersensitivity reactions. Certain chronic inflammatory skin conditions, such as psoriasis, are treated with measured doses of UVB, in part for this reason. UVB is believed to cause immunosuppression by direct action on immune cells within the skin, as well as indirectly. Vitamin D, converted by UVB in skin from 7DHC has potent immunosuppressant properties. Indeed, the active forms of Vitamin D have been shown to inhibit T cell proliferation, inhibit expression of MHC class II proteins on antigen presenting cells, and depress the activity of Langerhans cells (Lehmann et al, 2004). In addition, sunlight stimulates the keratinocyte and the melanocyte to express alphaMSH, a hormone that not only plays a role in the pigmentation of skin but also serves to suppress epidermal inflammation (Brogden et al, 2005).

Thus, sunlight, which so readily damages skin normally, also "quiets" the adaptive immune system within the skin, in part through the activation of the Vitamin D signaling pathway. We presume that without the induction of UVB-associated immunosuppression we would suffer severe inflammation following "normal" exposure to sunlight. The reports by Mallbris et al, Weber et al, and Wang et al tell us that while the adaptive system is being "toned down", UVB, via the Vitamin D pathway, also causes a "non-inflammatory" antimicrobial component of the innate immune system to be "turned on".
 
Sunbeds are for vanity and are dangerous. Spray tan is for vanity and is not dangerous. Easy decision IMO.

Even better, spend an appropriate amount of time in the sun for your skin. Have a nice time. Enjoy the sun not to get brown, but because it's nice :)
 
So if you use sun screen you are not going to get burnt and so you will spend more time outside and get a much bigger exposure to the UVA.

So using no sun screen at all would be better as long as you dont get burnt, because you will build a natural protection (a tan) and whatever gene expression upregulates to protect/repair your skin. The vitamin D production is actually an antiinflammatory defense mechanism against the stress of the sun damage, but it has a knock on effect for bone health, etc.

Then after that you get the "stimulating" amount of sunshine with no sunscreen, you should use a rashguard and hat so you dont get the unnaturally prolonged UVA exposure. And of course the "stimulation" duration would gradually increase as your skin built up a tan.

Would that make sense?

And maybe the problem with sunbeds is the bulb simply produces too much UVA?

Burning is the last step in the damage though, you're already causing damage by being exposed to "excessive" UV. To some degree you want to build up a tan without sunscreen and lower exposure - if you were to use sunscreen you'd need to be out in the sun for longer, thus giving more time for UVA-induced damage which bypasses the protective layer completely.

I'm not sure Vit D is particularly antiinflammatory at the levels produced through UVB exposure as it is produced in fairly low amounts (enough to meet a daily requirement though) and has a very high turnover rate. Vitamin D as a high dose supplement has shown promise as an antiinflammatory though.

Sunbeds produce a huge amount of UVA, something in the region of 10 to 15 times the amount you'd get in a hot country in the midday sun. Add in to the fact that you get that amount over a very short period of time (is about 15 minutes right?), your cells have no time to mount an antioxidant defence.

Don't forget, typically sunbed-induced skin cancers are more often than not malignant melanomas, whereas sun-induced are predominantly non-melanoma.
 
Here's something that backs up what Haulk said:
Certain chronic inflammatory skin conditions, such as psoriasis, are treated with measured doses of UVB, in part for this reason. UVB is believed to cause immunosuppression by direct action on immune cells within the skin,

erm no, not really... 'measured dose of UVB' != sunbed

according to the British Association of Dermatologists

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=22494515&postcount=61

Nina Goad of the BAD explained that while hospitals use UV treatment for specific skin diseases including psoriasis, this is utilised in a carefully controlled environment and is not the same as a sunbed.

[...]

"Using a sunbed is not the way to tackle a skin disorder – in fact, doing so just puts you at greater risk of developing skin cancer," she warned.

"Sunbeds not only increase the risk of skin cancer but also lead to skin ageing, such as wrinkles and a leathery complexion. In this respect, they will worsen your skin in the long-term, not improve it."
 
I'm prepared for the onslaught..

I use them occasionally because I feel I look better with a bit of colour. Today I used em for first time in ages and I've burned my backside a little lol.

It's 2012 all us guys do it... Right? :-\

The irony of it is that the White Man wants to look brown and the Brown Man wants to look white and the EDL want the Brown Man out of "their" Country lol
 
The irony of it is that the White Man wants to look brown and the Brown Man wants to look white and the EDL want the Brown Man out of "their" Country lol

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The irony of it is that the White Man wants to look brown and the Brown Man wants to look white

yup - Asians/Middle Eastern people seem to have a thing for making their skin whiter:


^^^

as per the advert... apparently having a whiter face will hep you get your dream job etc.. :D
 
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