Why are you not vegan....

Johno please? · 31 May 2022 at 17:08

Hey guys, (now ive got you with that title) so I went vegetarian about 9 months ago after struggling with the idea of eating meat for quite a while and have recently gone vegan after seeing footage of a cow get bolt gunned in the head.

I think the main problems are ignorance and cultural conditioning, I recently found that baby male chicks are either ground up alive or gassed at 1 day old because they're useless in the egg industry. And piglets have their teeth "trimmed" and tails "docked" to reduce tail biting amongst other pigs which is a symptom of mental stress, gee I wonder why they might be stressed....

So why are you not vegan....

Edited the title just due to the backlash

Documentary on UK farming - https://www.landofhopeandglory.org/

Document on the misery of broiler or "meat" birds https://www.rspca.org.uk/webContent/staticImages/BroilerCampaign/EatSitSufferRepeat.pdf

Common arguments debunked - https://www.carnismdebunked.com/general-ethical

Thekwango · 31 May 2022 at 17:10

Johno please? said:
So, lets have at it, why do you still pay for animal abuse?

cause i like meat.

tom_e · 31 May 2022 at 17:14

Thekwango said:
cause i like meat.

What he said.

something daft already!! · 31 May 2022 at 17:15

I just enjoy the look on their faces when killing and eating them.

robfosters · 31 May 2022 at 17:22

Because I am a meat eater and refuse to let holier than thou people like you make me feel guilty for something that man has been doing for millions of years

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 31 May 2022 at 17:23

Johno please? said:
Hey guys, (now ive got you with that title) so I went vegetarian about 9 months ago after struggling with the idea of eating meat for quite a while and have recently gone vegan after seeing footage of a cow get bolt gunned in the head.

I think the main problems are ignorance and cultural conditioning, I recently found that baby male chicks are either ground up alive or gassed at 1 day old because they're useless in the egg industry. And piglets have their teeth "trimmed" and tails "docked" to reduce tail biting amongst other pigs which is a symptom of mental stress, gee I wonder why they might be stressed....

So, lets have at it, why do you still pay for animal abuse?

BBQ

/thread

200sols · 31 May 2022 at 17:29

I know this is speakers corner but vegan memes seem highly appropriate right now.

Freakbro · 31 May 2022 at 17:39

Johno please? said:
So, lets have at it, why do you still pay for animal abuse?

It's one of the benefits of being top of the food chain.

But I would look to drastically cut back the amount of meat we as a world consume, based on the amount of resources and land it uses and the corresponding effect on climate change.

It's a mad statistic that 96% of the mammalian biomass on this planet is us and our livestock. 60% being the livestock.

JRS · 31 May 2022 at 17:58

@Johno please? - I eat meat because, as a vague approximation of a human being, I'm an omnivore.

JonRGV250 · 31 May 2022 at 18:05

Johno please? said:
so I went vegetarian about 9 months ago

Please make sure to remind us of this fact at every available opportunity.

Many thanks

robfosters · 31 May 2022 at 18:09

JonRGV250 said:
Please make sure to remind us of this fact at every available opportunity.

Many thanks

Oh don’t worry he does. He likes nothing better than to hijack a thread to preach and have a pop at meat eaters

JonRGV250 · 31 May 2022 at 18:20

robfosters said:
Oh don’t worry he does. He likes nothing better than to hijack a thread to preach and have a pop at meat eaters

Don't they all.
Thanks for the heads up, he's now on ignore.

do_ron_ron · 31 May 2022 at 18:23

Humans have survived BECAUSE they are omnivores. Lots of species who were not ceased to exist.

Murphy · 31 May 2022 at 18:29

Nothing worse than a preachy vegan.

D.P. · 31 May 2022 at 18:40

Sad to see the predictable blind dismissal of a fairly fundamental issue in both animal rights and climate change, the usual childish quips and the jumping on the defensive without the ability to properly defend their stance.

Personally, i have removed about 95% of my meat and 60-70% of my dairy, and i am extremely selective of where and what meat & dairy i do buy. This has been a gradual process over the last 3 years but has now reached a level where i find most meat entirely unapatizing and i am frequently disappointed by the experience, so i suspect i will 100% vegetarian soon. On the dairy front, a lot is replaced such as milk and yoghurt, but cheese is a real problem, especially living in Switzerland. i have had poor experiences with vegan cheeses. I only use eggs for baking but need to experiment more with alternatives.

D.P. · 31 May 2022 at 18:42

JRS said:
@Johno please? - I eat meat because, as a vague approximation of a human being, I'm an omnivore.

which is a pretty weak response because as you point out, being an omnivore you can become vegan.

D.P. · 31 May 2022 at 18:43

do_ron_ron said:
Humans have survived BECAUSE they are omnivores. Lots of species who were not ceased to exist.

and to survive a climate catastrophe we will need to drastically reduce meat and dairy consumption, so yes useful humans can survive on a vegan diet

Begbie · 31 May 2022 at 18:43

Johno please? said:
Hey guys, (now ive got you with that title) so I went vegetarian about 9 months ago after struggling with the idea of eating meat for quite a while and have recently gone vegan after seeing footage of a cow get bolt gunned in the head.

I think the main problems are ignorance and cultural conditioning, I recently found that baby male chicks are either ground up alive or gassed at 1 day old because they're useless in the egg industry. And piglets have their teeth "trimmed" and tails "docked" to reduce tail biting amongst other pigs which is a symptom of mental stress, gee I wonder why they might be stressed....

So, lets have at it, why do you still pay for animal abuse?

Where do you buy your clothes? Cars? Mobile phones? Are you happy to judge folk for 'animal abuse' but not slaverly?

D.P. · 31 May 2022 at 18:45

robfosters said:
Because I am a meat eater and refuse to let holier than thou people like you make me feel guilty for something that man has been doing for millions of years

no, you are an omnivore that doesn't bhave to eat meat. what humans have been doing for millions of years is irrelevant - rape and murder has been common for millions of years.

200sols · 31 May 2022 at 18:47

D.P. said:
and to survive a climate catastrophe we will need to drastically reduce meat and dairy consumption, so yes useful humans can survive on a vegan diet

Red meat is the main driver though. Cut your red meat consumption and you are already doing well but yeah if somebody starts a thread with 'why do you support animal abuse' then it is only going to go one way.