Why did I wait :(

bfar · 20 Jul 2013 at 11:42

I remember the 8800gtx being a similar price to the gtx 780. This isn't new. Prices will fall again. The current manufacturing node was a very difficult one.

spoffle · 20 Jul 2013 at 12:26

bfar said:
I remember the 8800gtx being a similar price to the gtx 780. This isn't new. Prices will fall again. The current manufacturing node was a very difficult one.

This isn't why. nVidia are doing it to increase their profit margins.

JonnyG1982 · 20 Jul 2013 at 12:59

bfar said:
I remember the 8800gtx being a similar price to the gtx 780. This isn't new. Prices will fall again. The current manufacturing node was a very difficult one.

Kinda missing the point. Its not so much price but value for money. Irc I paid £440 tops on pretty much day one for a 8800gtx that also managed to pretty much double performance of previous cards. It was far better value for money at the time compared to whats been offered now. If the gtx 780 doubled performance of a gtx680 for £440 we wouldn't be having this discussion. If it doubled performance for the current £540 most wouldn't complain.

And prices have hardly budged for nvidia. Their so stubborn that they brought out the newer & faster & cheaper gtx770 & left the gtx680 with more or less same price tag. Odd.

Fact is that ironically despite the recession & pc gaming declining & next gen consoles coming out cheaper than the last that nvidia think the solution is to bring out cards that have less & less performance increase for more money? Itll be nvidia & its staff crying when everyone gives up & goes to consoles & they only have themselves to blame.

Anyhoo like mentioned, we are meant to all be on the same side here, demanding more for cheaper prices

implosiveturnip · 20 Jul 2013 at 17:58

Well said OP, hit the nail on the head there.

TNA · 20 Jul 2013 at 22:55

I just go with whoever offers best bang for buck for around £200. Usually I do this after a process change where nice performance gains are had. This tends to mean I miss out on 10-20% performance (even less after oc) compared to best card which sells for close to double that price.

I like my gaming, but unless I won lottery or was on a six figure net salary, I could not justify paying a lot more money for little gain in performance. Each to their own though

Looking forward to Maxwell and Vulcan islands cards next year. Should bag me a card on par or superior to a titan for around £200

wolvers · 20 Jul 2013 at 23:14

straxusii said:
I don't know why Nvidia released the Titan

So that they could inflate the prices of their range. Simple as that really.

IvanDobskey · 21 Jul 2013 at 09:53

wolvers said:
So that they could inflate the prices of their range. Simple as that really.

That and to rip people off of course

I think I remember Nvidia saying they were surprised themselves at how many they shifted.

They must have been rubbing their hands together with glee.

BaDBoY_uK · 21 Jul 2013 at 10:38

So in conclusion - the manufacturers are doing it because they can and we buy them? Epic work guys

Marine-RX179 · 21 Jul 2013 at 10:53

BaDBoY_uK said:
So in conclusion - the manufacturers are doing it because they can and we buy them? Epic work guys

That's pretty much it really.

I mean Nvidia is actually going backward by pushing 192-bit bus card to over £200 and 256-bit bus card to over £300 last gen with 384-bit bus card nowhere to be seen last gen; and with 384-bit bus card finally got brought back in the form of GTX780, it was priced well over £540. Rather than recognise this and stop to think "...wait, what's going on here Nvidia?", some people would rather directly their attention toward people who are criticising Nvidia, and calling them a) AMD fanboy b) poor man who can't afford the the cards

wolvers · 21 Jul 2013 at 12:44

If there is a market for buyers who are willing to pay whatever for the best, then that's just the way it is. Until that changes, or competition intensifies, the prices will stay high. PC hardware seem much more 'commercial' than I remember it being ten years ago. There's no point crowing about it continually. Just buy what you can afford, or are willing to pay, and enjoy messing with that hardware.

Personally I get as much, if not more, of a sense of satisfaction from building systems from lower/mid parts and tweaking/tuning them as I do with the very priciest kit. It's not outright high scores that give me that satisfaction, but the percentile improvement over the 'out of the box' performance.

I can afford a Titan if I really wanted it, I'm just not willing to pay what they're currently asking for it because I don't believe it is justified. The same goes for the current price of the 4770k, which I look at in bemusement, but I don't have an issue with those that are willing to pay these prices.

Kaapstad · 21 Jul 2013 at 13:15

wolvers said:
I can afford a Titan if I really wanted it, I'm just not willing to pay what they're currently asking for it because I don't believe it is justified. The same goes for the current price of the 4770k, which I look at in bemusement, but I don't have an issue with those that are willing to pay these prices.

I gave my mate an unused RIIE mobo I had laying around, to which he added a secondhand i7 930 and a new GTX 670 he got when NVidia reduced the prices. For not much money he built a rig that will give most modern setups a good run for their money.

IvanDobskey · 21 Jul 2013 at 13:28

Personally, before I buy any PC parts, I have to justify the increase in performance and price in my own mind. I simply refuse to be ripped off. I could quite easily go out and blow 3.5k on quad titans but I just can't justify it. Quite happy with my second hand 680

Buckster · 21 Jul 2013 at 14:03

whilst I don't like current prices of GPUs - they are still relative bargains compared to CPUs ?

I mean for £300 - you are getting a GPU chip with transistor count near or above current gen £200 CPUs, you are also getting a pretty high-end (but small) motherboard/PCB, and 2gb of DDR5

all added up seems quite good value

Marine-RX179 · 21 Jul 2013 at 15:26

Buckster said:
whilst I don't like current prices of GPUs - they are still relative bargains compared to CPUs ?

I mean for £300 - you are getting a GPU chip with transistor count near or above current gen £200 CPUs, you are also getting a pretty high-end (but small) motherboard/PCB, and 2gb of DDR5

all added up seems quite good value

Not really, if you consider that an overclocked £300 ish i5 platform could well last 5-6 years, while graphic cards around this price range would already require upgrading at less than half that time.

V F · 21 Jul 2013 at 15:38

Blame said:
You buy what you want. simples. who cares what others think.

im still running a 560ti. does the job. If i can afford a Titan i would go for it.

wolvers said:
If there is a market for buyers who are willing to pay whatever for the best, then that's just the way it is. Until that changes, or competition intensifies, the prices will stay high. PC hardware seem much more 'commercial' than I remember it being ten years ago. There's no point crowing about it continually. Just buy what you can afford, or are willing to pay, and enjoy messing with that hardware.

You're on the OcUK forums. The gist I got for the past 2 - 3 years being here was a value for money community. Read just about every thread, I hardly see a thread "buy what you want, simples" without people jumping on others like the wrath of god. There's even been fights in past threads for people buying overpriced parts in the past year.

If this was truly an enthusiast forum, I would rarely see threads about getting value for money and people just going crazy buying the best of the best and others going, screw you guys!

I've only seen a select amount of members that purchases 4x Titans and such items but they are a very tiny group. It isn't what I read of this forum. It's all bang for buck.

Kaapstad · 21 Jul 2013 at 15:43

V F said:
I've only seen a select amount of members that purchases 4x Titans and such items but they are a very tiny group. It isn't what I read of this forum. It's all bang for buck.

No bang for buck going on here.

Which forum are you comparing this one to, overclock.net ?

whyscotty · 21 Jul 2013 at 15:56

Kaapstad said:
No bang for buck going on here.

Agreed

V F · 21 Jul 2013 at 15:59

Comparing? I'm not comparing anything. Reading this forum for years. All the spec me threads and so on as well as this section and others. Very few people go all out on this forum. There's some, yes but not enough to make a majority. Far from it.

wolvers · 21 Jul 2013 at 19:35

V F said:
You're on the OcUK forums. The gist I got for the past 2 - 3 years being here was a value for money community. Read just about every thread, I hardly see a thread "buy what you want, simples" without people jumping on others like the wrath of god. There's even been fights in past threads for people buying overpriced parts in the past year.

If this was truly an enthusiast forum, I would rarely see threads about getting value for money and people just going crazy buying the best of the best and others going, screw you guys!

I've only seen a select amount of members that purchases 4x Titans and such items but they are a very tiny group. It isn't what I read of this forum. It's all bang for buck.

That's why I like this forum. There is a genuine desire to find the gems in the ranges, the best VFM if you will.

I'm not explicitly talking about this forum though, but that there must be a market for the high-end prices being what they are or they would simply be cheaper. Like the MS Surface.

Buckster · 21 Jul 2013 at 19:38

I was all sort of set for getting a 7970 or 780 as a birthday present for myself this week

but after playing numerous numerous games on the Steam sale this week (recent ones included) - I've not really had any that I've found my oc'd 570 actually lacking. Worst one out of the lot was Bioshock Infinite - but I was trying to run it completely maxed out

so I think I might just wait even longer now lol