Why do all the latest monitors look disappointing?

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As per title, because the uniformity issues everywhere for a lot of the top models seem like a real lottery.

I'm running an old Dell 23" 1080p monitor that I want to upgrade from, my previous monitor was Samsung 27" 950d series TN panel, which looked absolutely stunning, but sadly it died, and I've been looking for a worthy replacement ever since.

I bought and sent back a couple of BenQ 144hz gaming monitors, which were absolutely awful in every respect compared to my Samsung.

I then tried an LG 1440p IPS monitor, and that had too much blurring, so went back.

So I've looked at all the 1440p 165hz IPS Acer and Asus monitors but they all have uniformity issues. Looked at the Ultra wide screens but they didn't really appeal to me and had uniformity issues. Then looked at the Dell TN 165hz monitors, but wasn't keen on the matte screen appearence, and so that then leaves me with the Samsung CFG70 144hz VA panels which again apparently have their own issues as well.

I just can't seem to find a healthy balance of what I had with my Samsung screen, which was: a vibrant and clear screen, with dencentish contrast, and great pixel overdrive and high Hz.
 
Agreed. Seems like the goal posts of expectations have shifted a lot.

It's just a shame modern TV's don't have a decent lag, as they seem substantially better VFM.
 
I had the Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW and then HP lp2475w after that for a very long time and both of those monitors were amazing.

I now have the ASUS pg279q and although it's great for high refresh and g-sync, the picture quality isn't as good as the previous monitors. Not to mention it's bloody expensive.

I just don't understand how there has been so much innovation in picture quality on the tv side, but with monitors we seemed to have regressed!
 
Surprised TV manufacturers haven't cottoned on to the fact that if they could put out 120Hz 4K panels with DP 1.4 connections, they'd make an absolute fortune!! I'd be all over one of those. I'm guessing there must be technical and/or financial restrictions to them doing so.
 
I think we can thank us, "PC gamers" for it in some ways. Most people have just been wanting 4k and high refresh rate for years now and nothing else, heck, most of the PC gamers have been happy to sacrifice IQ/colours to get the faster TN response screens and then we have people who are happy to put up with QC issues like back light bleed, dead pixels, severe IPS glow so they probably thought, why bother investing money when IQ/colours etc. doesn't seem to bother most of the PC monitor market?

Thankfully over the last year or so it seems like more and more people have noticed how poor monitors really are for IQ + QC now and have either stuck with their old monitors or/and are moving towards TVs for their computer display now.

It also looks like a lot of the companies are wanting to jump on VA tech. now due to the overwhelming complaints about IPS and back light bleed + IPS glow.

With the introduction of full array local dimming in the upcoming 27" 4k 144HZ HDR screen, hopefully we will start to see monitors get some love with regards to IQ.
 
Nexus18 said:
I think we can thank us, "PC gamers" for it in some ways. Most people have just been wanting 4k and high refresh rate for years now and nothing else, heck, most of the PC gamers have been happy to sacrifice IQ/colours to get the faster TN response screens and then we have people who are happy to put up with QC issues like back light bleed, dead pixels, severe IPS glow so they probably thought, why bother investing money when IQ/colours etc. doesn't seem to bother most of the PC monitor market?

Thankfully over the last year or so it seems like more and more people have noticed how poor monitors really are for IQ + QC now and have either stuck with their old monitors or/and are moving towards TVs for their computer display now.

It also looks like a lot of the companies are wanting to jump on VA tech. now due to the overwhelming complaints about IPS and back light bleed + IPS glow.

With the introduction of full array local dimming in the upcoming 27" 4k 144HZ HDR screen, hopefully we will start to see monitors get some love with regards to IQ.
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I'm scared about what the price is going to be though, I was hearing it would be £1500+ which is completely insane really.
 
Nexus18 said:
I think we can thank us, "PC gamers" for it in some ways. Most people have just been wanting 4k and high refresh rate for years now and nothing else, heck, most of the PC gamers have been happy to sacrifice IQ/colours to get the faster TN response screens and then we have people who are happy to put up with QC issues like back light bleed, dead pixels, severe IPS glow so they probably thought, why bother investing money when IQ/colours etc. doesn't seem to bother most of the PC monitor market?

Thankfully over the last year or so it seems like more and more people have noticed how poor monitors really are for IQ + QC now and have either stuck with their old monitors or/and are moving towards TVs for their computer display now.

It also looks like a lot of the companies are wanting to jump on VA tech. now due to the overwhelming complaints about IPS and back light bleed + IPS glow.

With the introduction of full array local dimming in the upcoming 27" 4k 144HZ HDR screen, hopefully we will start to see monitors get some love with regards to IQ.
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+1

I am more of a IQ guy and there is hardly anything out there better than what I currently have. I would love that 4K 144hz HDR screen, but the price is just silly and puts me off. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I think I would feel ripped off. HDR is becoming nothing special and normal in 2017, and I do not value 60 to 144hz jump to pay silly money over what I already have. Would rather put that money towards a nice OLED HDR TV next year. Can enjoy many games with a controller sitting on the couch :)
 
All I want is to know whichever monitor I buy I'm not going to have to send it back (possibly multiple times) because of appalling light bleed levels, because the manufacturers idea of what constitutes an acceptable level is ridiculously out of step with what their customers are willing to tolerate.

Of all the upgrades you can make to a PC rig, choosing a monitor is the one I dread the most, I really do hate it, knowing the potential level of hassle it can involve with nightmare RMA procedures.
 
Cooper said:
All I want is to know whichever monitor I buy I'm not going to have to send it back (possibly multiple times) because of appalling light bleed levels, because the manufacturers idea of what constitutes an acceptable level is ridiculously out of step with what their customers are willing to tolerate.

Of all the upgrades you can make to a PC rig, choosing a monitor is the one I dread the most, I really do hate it, knowing the potential level of hassle it can involve with nightmare RMA procedures.
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Make sure you buy from an online retailer that makes exchanges hassle free. Many try and fob you off or make life hard. At least that has been my experience in the past.
 
I also agree that when it comes round to choosing a monitor it can be a farce nowadays with the amount of choice available, though for me now I have a better idea of what to look out for compared to say a few years ago as I have a better knowledge of the technology available (IPS, TN, VA etc.).

I have also found that selecting a relatively trouble free monitor nowadays can be a bit of a gamble, taken into account the amount of reports you hear from other people who order this & that - only to find it has either severe light bleed or dead pixels; especially the likes of the premium & expensive gaming monitors. In my recent experience I've had the best luck with Dell monitors, I've yet to receive one that has a single dead pixel. I've currently got a AOC Q2577PWQ which has a near identical panel to the Dell U2515H and again I've not had one single problem with the display yet.

On the subject of laptop displays as well - my goodness these can be a real luck of the draw at times too, I briefly owned a Asus GL502 for a few days last year which had a horrendous display; severe light bleed in all four corners. In the end I returned it because of this. I also owned a Dell XPS 15 9550 FHD for a while from new that again had noticeable light bleed in the bottom corners.

My next monitor purchase all being well is going to be a 144hz model in the next few months, fingers crossed more new ones appear on the market that have a better level of QC.

Liam.
 
TNA said:
+1

I am more of a IQ guy and there is hardly anything out there better than what I currently have. I would love that 4K 144hz HDR screen, but the price is just silly and puts me off. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I think I would feel ripped off. HDR is becoming nothing special and normal in 2017, and I do not value 60 to 144hz jump to pay silly money over what I already have. Would rather put that money towards a nice OLED HDR TV next year. Can enjoy many games with a controller sitting on the couch :)
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Yup the good thing with HDR becoming the norm (well more so for TVs atm anyway) is that it means monitor manufacturers will have to up their game for the IQ side of things now as for proper HDR support, they need to meet a minimum criteria for the brightness, black depth & contrast ratio of which no current monitor comes anywhere close too :o Hence why the upcoming 27" 4k HDR monitor is using full array local dimming to achieve this :D We just need developers to push with HDR games on the PC as well now to really drive monitor manufacturers towards IQ panel improvements again.

Likewise, there is really nothing for me to upgrade to, sure I could get a higher res. display with a higher refresh rate + freesync but to get all of that is not worth the £600+ outlay for myself and my usage/priorities, I would be wanting to see a drastic increase in IQ (of which there won't be with any current monitor) too + I refuse to pay more than £500 for current monitor technology let alone anywhere near the £1000 price tag.
 
Because panel quality lottery is still a thing and there's no 4k 144Hz yet.

And also cos there's little choice above 27". I find it too small for 1440p (I use my screen at distance) so 4k will be a no go at such a small size. It needs to be a lot bigger for such a high resolution.
 
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