Why do players argue with the ref when a player is sent off?

TheCenturion

TheCenturion

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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've never understood why. Not just red cards, but when players argue with officials over other decisions.

I don't think that a referee has ever reversed his decision there and then because players surround him and complain. In my view it just makes them look like prats and utter muppets. Then again, I despise football behaviour in general.

So tell me. What does it achieve?
 
Releasing anger when a referee makes the wrong decision (like a lot of the time), doesn't make them stupid, makes them look human and show emotion
 
TheCenturion said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've never understood why. Not just red cards, but when players argue with officials over other decisions.

I don't think that a referee has ever reversed his decision there and then because players surround him and complain. In my view it just makes them look like prats and utter muppets. Then again, I despise football behaviour in general.

So tell me. What does it achieve?
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Even when a player who has gained an advantage argues with the ref over a decision, the referee doesn't change his mind! I think it was Robbie Fowler who told the referee that he wasn't fouled in the box, but a penalty was still awarded.

Purdy said:
Releasing anger when a referee makes the wrong decision (like a lot of the time), doesn't make them stupid, makes them look human and show emotion
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Rugby players would be sent off for such behaviour. It isn't impossible for a player to restrain themselves...
 
Purdy said:
R makes them look human and show emotion
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pfffffffffft

yeh. footballer's obviously have more emotion than rugby players? if a 19 stone prop can stand there and listen, why can't a 12 stone striker?

comes down to respect, not emotion or passion.

ref's should start giving yards away like rugby.
 
Basically footballers are generally encouraged (from an early age) to "play the ref" by hounding him at all times to try and make sure the game goes their teams way.

It's dull, annoying and should be stamped out (well should have been 20 years ago).

We laughed a lot when when Brightons vice captain got sent off at home to us for hounding the ref about a penalty decision (the ref had missed 3 and given 2 that weren't so he sort of had a point, except they were all against Brighton). But in reality it's silly to watch grown men whine like children.
 
Other than the points already made about venting frustration etc, there is also a belief held by some that refs will "even things up" i.e. if they make a decision that is vehemently protested, there may be doubt creeping in their mind as to whether he has treated that team unfairly. So in future they are more likely to give a decision the way of that team. The crowd can have a similar effect, i.e. if the ref doesn't give a penalty and the crowd is going ballistic at the ref he may (perhaps subconciously) be more inclined to give them a decision to get the crowd off his back.
 
Purdy said:
Then again, Rugby has video replays and the refs aren't nearly as bad as they are in footie.
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That argument would make sense, except for the fact that you often see players arguing even when the ref has obviously made a correct decision.

But it still doesn't explain why they feel the need to do it in the first place? It serves no purpose, other than as you say perhaps venting anger. But they should definitely restrain themselves, and also perhaps direct their anger at their offending teammate rather than the ref.
 
TheCenturion said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've never understood why. Not just red cards, but when players argue with officials over other decisions.

I don't think that a referee has ever reversed his decision there and then because players surround him and complain. In my view it just makes them look like prats and utter muppets. Then again, I despise football behaviour in general.

So tell me. What does it achieve?
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Because they are *********.

They should start noodling them and sending them off for arguing with the ref, it would stop straight away.
 
No1newts said:
Because they are *********.

They should start noodling them and sending them off for arguing with the ref, it would stop straight away.
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If the FA said at the start of the season that players would be automatically awarded a yellow card for disagreeing with a refereeing decision or for abusing the referee, a few players would be sent off in the first 3 games and the players would resort to calling the referee 'sir' and being courteous, like they are in rugby, for the rest of the season.
 
Interesting, based on posts on this sub forum a lot of you seem to throw abuse at the referee for a wrong call(if not all), but if you were actually at the match you wouldn't complain one bit at the ref making an awful decision ;D? Okay
 
This forum isn't regulated by the referee though. A better analogy would be whether on this forum we throw abuse at the moderators for making wrong calls.
 
HangTime said:
This forum isn't regulated by the referee though. A better analogy would be whether on this forum we throw abuse at the moderators for making wrong calls.
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Well not really, it is more to do with people calling them vile idiots etc. for doing it yet I bet they all throw abuse at their TV and type it on here.
 
Throwing abuse at the TV/Forum doesn't making calling player an idiot (albeit maybe not a vile one) for doing the same any less valid.

If I have a pop at the ref while at home, there is no damage done, he can't hear me, I'm not a role-model to millions of people around the world. The ref can't send me off, but he could give Rooney a second yellow for the sarcastic applause. That makes Rooney an idiot even if thousands sat in their armchairs did the same.
 
In the heat of the moment they get overly emotional, especially when the decision could be potentially game changing.

In regards to this continued behaviour, unless referees clamp down on it, as they should with fouls, and make their decisions with greater consistency, it will just continue and worsen, as it arguable has over the years. Players try to use intimidation on referees and although it may not reverse the current decision, it may affect their judgement later in the game.
 
Maybe we should worry about referees making correct decisions before worrying about how much players complain as its less likely to affect the outcome of the game.
 
I would be elated if football referees were allowed to ref in the same way as rugby. Yes gouging and the like still can occur, but on the whole it is a more respectful game that doesn't alienate it's paying fan base.
 
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