why do we have 32 bit

[Dogoid]

soon games will require 4+GB of memory ,and when that time comes we ( gamers ) will move to that environment. that move in itself will give credence to 64bit use thus changing the perception of it , and probably making seem more viable to those who really stil don't understand what it is.

we will expect marketing to subtlety change peoples perceptions of it, sort of the same way winxp ( and its marketing that went with it ) changed peoples perception of computers from being a computer for people who need to use one, into a computer for people who think they NEED one.

 

[C64]

yes when that day arrives i will install 64 bit whats the point of it now if software runs in 32 bit mode in 64 bit.

 

[Mattus]

I tried about 10 of my most used apps and games and every single one had an issue I couldn't live with or didn't work.

Which apps were these? I haven't found a single app which I use that doesn't work on 64-bit.

it's misinformation like "Oh vista boots so much faster than xp" well no actually it doesn't in fact it boots slower than my 32 bit I timed it.

That's a pointless line of discussion, really. My Vista-64 boots faster than my XP-32 did, but that doesn't really add anything to the discussion either. We need to talk in facts rather than isolated cases.

There's a third category of users who just love the idea that they think they are utilizing 4gb + of ram when in fact they really are not.

On the contrary, Vista is putting every megabyte of my 4GB to good use making my system faster, where XP just lets it sit there doing nothing apart from wasting your electricity

 

[mr.sly]

yes when that day arrives i will install 64 bit whats the point of it now if software runs in 32 bit mode in 64 bit.

You do realise in this day and age you don't need to run one program at a time? You know so you could have multiple programs open, using the RAM, making multi-tasking and switching between programs much easier.

Then there's Superfetch. Indexing is much better in Vista, as is search, the search bar in the start menu to locate folder, files and most importantly to launch programs quickly.

True 64bit sound, with complete control over the sound levels of each application that is running. Parental controls, networking stack, Dx10, 3D rendering so icons can scale properly. Which is a big improvement for the visual impaired. Voice control over the full system as standard.

Seriously the list goes on for the improvements over XP.

Maybe none of those are interesting to you, but no one has a gun to your head forcing you to switch. We just ask that you use logic when you post and don't Vista bash just because YOU prefer to use XP.

 

[Final8y]

Which apps were these? I haven't found a single app which I use that doesn't work on 64-bit.

That's a pointless line of discussion, really. My Vista-64 boots faster than my XP-32 did, but that doesn't really add anything to the discussion either. We need to talk in facts rather than isolated cases.



On the contrary, Vista is putting every megabyte of my 4GB to good use making my system faster, where XP just lets it sit there doing nothing apart from wasting your electricity

Vista is using 6GB for superfetch on my 8GB set-up.

 

[C64]

It's caching frequently used software yes, games and apps are not running any faster because you have 4gb of ram or a 64bit OS.
You have all confirmed what I said earlier, I am talking about 64 bit vista and how it wasn't as good as xp 32bit for my needs.
Yet somehow that gets translated to me hating vista and you all bigging up vista and accusing me of vista bashing.

As for apps not working/issues/bugs on vista 64 the list is endless but try ati tray tools a very very popular app for radeon users like myself which I have to use because vsync doesn't work with the current ccc in many games, and try regseeker.
Even the latest VLC has an issue where the slider keeps popping up on full screen mode under 64 bit.
I'm not farting about using a bootdisc or hitting f8 to disable driver sig every boot just so I can use ati tray tools.

I don't hate vista 64 bit at all I like it but Am pointing out that 64bit is not as good as 32 bit currently and posed the question why 64 bit ? if 32 bit is fine.

The general consensus seems to be that 64bit is fine and everything works perfect when it simply does not, you will unearth a whole heap of issues and problems to work out as you go.

Vista bash lol, I have no affinity to hardware or operating systems and am intitled to point out that I tried it and found I just couldn't use it because I had too many issues with my choice of apps and games.

Just as you are intitled to point out that you run everything you like fine on 64bit I think the difference is I don't throw my toys out of the pram and cry xp or 32 bit basher.

This is a post asking why 32bit and my experiences are giving the answers as to why 32 bit is still here because many people like me do not want to stop playing a game or using an application and find alternatives or trawl through countless solutions to bugs and issues to fit around 64 bit.

32 bit applications on a 64 bit OS can still only allocate 2GB ram that is a cold hard fact you cannot escape from and one of the many reasons why 32bit is still here and going strong.
When a good lot of 64 bit games and apps start appearing and putting that ram to use I'll be the first to install 64 bit I can assure you.

 

[NathanE]

I'm struggling to understand what these "heap of issues and problems to work out" are with Windowx x64.

If you can't find some critical device driver for your x64 system then chances are that PC is too old to be running x64 at any decent rate of knots anyway. Upgrade.

If some piece of software doesn't install then either pester the vendor/author or go and find an alternative. Very very few applications don't work on x64. And of those that don't about 90% only don't work because their install program is too cautious on its OS check. Then the remaining 10% don't work because they have bundled kernel drivers that were x86 only because the software author isn't operating in the 21st century.

32 bit applications on a 64 bit OS can still only allocate 2GB ram that is a cold hard fact you cannot escape from and one of the many reasons why 32bit is still here and going strong.

How did you make your first and second sentences fit together like that? It makes no sense. 32-bit is still here for legacy support. It's disadvantages with regard to memory capacities is certainly not "why it is still here".

yes exactly my point thank you

and no I don't think I am the only person using xp You forgot to add the part where I say I am not talking about the majority but just an element
gotta love how people quote to suit their argument.

And yet in that very post you do just that? You quoted someone out of context and then used it to add an additional matchstick underneath your argument.

 

[Sone]

Vista is just xp with dx10 support a shiny interface and the ability to use +2gb of ram but not in any games or apps which defeats the purpose of having over 2 gig.

people have been saying crap like this for ages.

win2000 is just NT4 with PnP and AD
WinXP is just Win2000 with a little gui polish

So is vista still just NT4 with a few little bolt ons

 

[nightmare99]

Windows 7 is coming in 32 and 64 bit versions, apparently. 32 bit is going to be around for a long while yet.

God I hope not, they really don't help matters sometimes when they do things like this.

 

[C64]

Don't blame microsoft blame software developers they are the ones making apps and games based around 32bit.

 

[MikeHiow]

Yet the transition from 16bit to 32bit was prompt, and harsh, albeit, long awaited.

I couldn't care less about what people say about, xp, vista, 64bit, 32 bit etc.

I use Vista, because I like it. I know XP may run faster, but who cares, I have four 3.2GHZ Cores, and 4GB of ram, that's essentially four of my previous PC, that used to run XP, just fine, all in one box! I'm not really missing those extra (but relatively minimal) resources being used.

I use the 64bit version, because I can.

Whichever you think is better, XP or Vista, just shut up and use it, instead of wasting your time preaching to people that are bound to have opposing views to you (There alway is on an online forum, right?).

 

[helmutcheese]

IS THE TOPIC ABOUT USING 64BIT OVER 32BIT OR XP vs VISTA ?

 

[mr.sly]

XP vs Vista of course.

This is OcUK.

 

[Mattus]

32 bit applications on a 64 bit OS can still only allocate 2GB ram that is a cold hard fact you cannot escape from and one of the many reasons why 32bit is still here and going strong.

What?

You know that people tend to use more than one application simultaneously, right?

 

[metalmackey]

If everyone thought like C64, we'de still be on 8bit I mean whats the point of 16bit? All my dos 3.x apps dont work.

 

[bledd]

they should've stopped it at xp (make xp the last one that had 32bit)

any processor that can't run vista 64 isn't fit for vista, full stop

 

[sublime]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

 

[C64]

If everyone thought like C64, we'de still be on 8bit I mean whats the point of 16bit? All my dos 3.x apps dont work.

why ? am I am saying that software should be made for 64bit and compatable with 32 bit and at the moment it's the other way round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Oh great and now I am troll because I air my thoughts i just want games and apps to be made that can take advantage of 64 bit and utilize 4-8gb of ram.

 

[TheVoice]

You will as a lot of people are quite young and their first pc owning experience is probably with vista, I am not talking about the vast majority but there is an element that immediatly gets angry and or impatient when you criticize vista.

That's nonsense. Are you suggesting that people who are young enough for Vista to be their first ever computer experience, are the same people getting angry when Vista is criticised? I don't see an army of 6 year olds running around defending Vista, do you? If so, I think you have far greater problems than your gripes with a 64-bit OS.

 

[C64]

Actually yes i do see an army of 6 year olds.