Why don't ex-Manchester United players make successful managers?

[sandy10]

Just a thought?...

Mark Hughes
Gordon Strachan
Paul Ince
Steve Bruce
Roy Keane
Bryan Robson
Ray Wilkins
Lou Macari
Steve Coppell
Mark Robins
David Platt
Darren Ferguson

 

[sandy10]

If you mean drifting aimlessly from club to club with aspirations of mid-table mediocrity against a back drop of moaning incessently and playing insipid football ala Steve Bruce. Then it's hard to measure.

 

[sandy10]

It depends on your definition of success - Alex Ferguson is the most decorated manager in football in terms of trophies - from that list, you could hold their cups won in the palm of your hand.

Anyone who considers Steve Bruce or Bryan Robson "successful" for example, need to purchase a dictionary.

 

[sandy10]

Or perhaps you do?

Ok, please explain the "success" enjoyed by messers Bryan Robson (Middlesbrough, Bradford City, WBA, Sheff Utd and Thailand) and Steve Bruce (Sheff Utd, Huddersfield Town, Wigan Ath, C Palace, Birmingham City, Wigan and Sunderland) as I'm very intrigued.

 

[sandy10]

Why aren't any of the managers in England that aren't Ferguson successful?

I'd say Arsene Wenger's been successful - 3 FAPL titles and 4 FA Cups?....Kenny Dalglish has been successful - 3 x Division 1 titles, 1 x FAPL and 2 x FA Cups...


In terms of success without winning trophies, David Moyes has year on in been successful with very limited funds, whilst many would argue Harry Redknapp has, on the main, been a successful manager, particularly over the last 3 or so seasons.


As for Steve Bruce, he's achieved very little, other than sailing various clubs around the lower-reaches of the Premier League playing insipid, negative football - no-one can say he's not had funds, particularly at Sunderland.

 

[sandy10]

That list smacks of someone who only cares about the top end of the premiership...

I'm a Villa supporter, so that's clearly nonsense for a start!

 

[sandy10]

Bryan Robson won Division One with Boro and got them promoted. Also built a team stable enough for Premiership survival.

That is a success. A success doesn't need to be back to back Champions League and Premiership titles. Some clubs have lower realistic achievements and to gain those achievements is a success.

And lol at the guy calling me a troll. Thankfully that post has disappeared...

Hmm.....yes Robson took Middlesbrough up from Division One but despite spending huge amounts on the likes of Ravanelli, Juninho, Emerson, Nick Barmby etc...couldn't better 9th in the top flight and eventually was relieved of his duties in the midst of another relegation struggle. He lost almost as many games in charge of the club and considering the budget he was given by Steve Gibson, I wouldn't consider him a success at all.

I suppose it's a bit better than his "successful" time at Bradford City or WBA.

 

[sandy10]

Haha is this thread still going on, seems like Sandy is just venting at losing Young to a better club. You're obsessed with Man Utd. I guess not every club is as lucky to have past players who go on to achieve as much success as the likes of Paul Merson, Gareth Southgate, Dean Saunders and Steve Staunton in management.

And David Platt? lol Never even played a senior game for Man Utd, left at 18. Troll.

Not at all, prior to his departure I've commented that I will be pleased when Young left - he was electric in his first two full seasons for us but he subsequently became obnoxious, self centered and self obsessed thus I'm delighted he's gone to a club to match his personality.

 

[sandy10]

To the OP - depends what you class as successful, nearly all those managers have been successful to some degree.

Here is a question for you, say if Alex Ferguson had been at Sunderland or Aston Villa 25 years, do any of you really think he would have had anywhere near as much success as he has at Man Utd?

Completely impossible to say.

It's like saying if Cristiano Ronaldo had joined Liverpool instead of Manchester United when he did, would he of been a success?.

It's completely objective, as per the original posting.

 

[sandy10]

After this weekend, this old thread might become more pertinent!

 

[sandy10]

Why's that? OGS's Molde retained their league title weeks ago

Was hoping Steve Bruce might be sacked for being Steve Bruce?

 

[sandy10]

Well reading the OP he's a Villa supporter glad Young has gone and pleased Villa are still sitting at the bottom end of the table.

**a proud Villa fan, delighted Ashley Young left as and when he did, of course unhappy that we are struggling, but that's the way the club is at the moment.

Thanks for the interest and concerns, very much appreciated.


From your name, can I assume you're a big fan of Joey Essex?

 

[sandy10]

Both have managed teams in the top division in the strongest league in the world.

I'd call that a success, given how few jobs there are.



You also need to take into account the fact that he was lucky to not be sacked. There's a fair possibility that given the chance those being named in this thread would have gone on to be more successful than they were given longer in each position.

I actually wouldn't agree - they've obtained the Premier League positions primarily on the basis of who they are, not through achieving success.

To that end you're calling the likes of Christian Gross, Roy Keane, Tony Adams, Avram Grant, Stuart Gray and Iain Dowie "sucessful" Premier League Managers, which clearly is factually incorrect.

 

[sandy10]

Bryan Robson brought together Juninho, Emerson and Ravenelli and built a Boro side which played some absolutely brilliant football. That was a special side, despite being relegated. He gets my praise for that alone.

Most of all he (and Steve Gibson) took a club with very little resource and built them into a premiership side for years. That is an achievement when you consider the club.

I think Mr Gibson had a very considerable resource when you consider the money the club spent on players and wages - I recollect Alen Boksic being on £60k a week when that was an alarming amount of money.