Why I ditched Vista

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 15:26

So I decided to fork out for an OEM copy of Vista Ultimate (glad I didn't pay full whack for a non OEM version now).

There are some benefits to using Vista, e.g. it is easier to find stuff, it looks better and seems more intuitive than XP but unfortunately these were outweighed by the cons, a 30% drop in gaming performance in every game I tried, the lack of decent driver support for my XFI and the inability to use any of the original creative CD applications (which they state you'll have to pay a fee for if they're ever released for Vista). The constant C2D's I get in various games, the neverending disk access despite me turning off indexing. The weird 30 second freezes I get for absolutely no reason. The rubbish disk transfer performance (I installed FSX under XP in around 10 minutes, it took over half an hour on a fresh install of Vista). The unexplainable loss of speed using my Linksys wireless NIC (which is back up to full speed now I'm back on XP).

To my mind you'll always have to make allowances for new operating systems until they mature but I think Vista takes it just one (or more) steps too far, appreciate that most of the problems are probably down to immature drivers but I think I'll leave it for a year before attempting another OS upgrade.

Atomic · 22 May 2007 at 15:38

I have Vista Ultimate and I LOVE the way it looks, but there are one or two annoying features that I suppose I'll get use to over time.

However, one of Vista's main attractions in my view is that DX10 exclusivity. That I think will be a big factor in how people end up viewing this O/S. If people can get better graphics on games with DX10 than on DX9 then I believe that will boost Vista sales and popularity...but obviously could have the opposite effect should DX10 prove to be not that good. Obviously I'm waiting for games like FSX and a couple of others to see how good DX10 and Vista is...

Participant · 22 May 2007 at 15:48

The only current problem I have with Vista is that I get some graphics error message each time I start my PC. The display driver stopped responding and has recovered.

Iraklis F.C. · 22 May 2007 at 15:57

i ditched both Vista and FSX, being in the sim community for a decade i find MSFS10 unreasonably slow and not a big improvement to FS9. Only graphics are better but you can make FS9 look a lot like it + its faster. But a simulator isnt an eye candy experience imho.

Vista , well looks nice and has some improvements in searching and viewing folders etc but thats it. :confused:

. i see no boost from XP , it consumes the double memory XP does for doing the same things and it gives me the impressions it is just refurbished XP . no WOW experience for me . Bill might say this is the safest windows yet but 4 years with XP i see no virus or trojans in my pc.

All in all microsoft choose a path which i will not follow , to me an OS must be useful not a show of graphics with minor improvements.

As to FSX...no thanks FS9 suits me fine with all its upgrades is a lot better imho

deadite66 · 22 May 2007 at 16:05

in all fairness to MS the hardware manufacturers had 4/5 years to develop drivers .
blame them.

Supercow · 22 May 2007 at 16:05

Iraklis F.C. said:
it consumes the double memory XP does for doing the same things

With one sentence in your post, you have proven your opinion is miss-guided by hear say and nonsense.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:11

Indeed, it's MEANT to use more memory, the more memory being used the faster everything you use regularly can load!

Now I have absolutely no faults with vista at all, I really like it, it's faster than XP, better, MCE rocks!, DX10 rocks! Gaming Rocks!

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:13

mrk said:
Now I have absolutely no faults with vista at all, I really like it, it's faster than XP, better, MCE rocks!, DX10 rocks! Gaming Rocks!

For me, it's slower than XP, I don't need MCE, I don't know why you think DX10 rocks when there's absolutely nothing to showcase it yet and as for gaming, it's proven across the board than XP gives better framerates.

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:14

Iraklis F.C. said:
As to FSX...no thanks FS9 suits me fine with all its upgrades is a lot better imho

You're not wrong there. With Flight and Ground Environment pro and everything max'd FS9 actually looks considerably better than FSX max'd, unless you like plastic looking water of course.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:16

Cuchulain said:
For me, it's slower than XP, I don't need MCE, I don't know why you think DX10 rocks when there's absolutely nothing to showcase it yet and as for gaming, it's proven across the board than XP gives better framerates.

Lost Planet demo, even though it's a demo and unfinished at its current stage looks better than many new DX9 games and it runs good at an unfinished level too which cannot be said for some PC games as of late.

It also allows more of the GFX card to do a lot of the physics work where dx9 does not, the latest video of Call of Juarez shows the geometry shader doing all the particle effects in the update for DX10 coming soon.

Video here:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1642

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:18

mrk said:
Lost Planet demo, even though it's a demo and unfinished at its current stage looks better than many new DX9 games and it runs good at an unfinished level too which cannot be said for some PC games as of late.

And you've compared it to the DX9 demo right?

You probably should, you'd realise that other than some overdone motion blur it looks identical on DX10 yet performs far worse.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:19

Cuchulain said:
And you've compared it to the DX9 demo right?

The DX9 demo runs worse if what people have posted in various threads are anything to go by.

I get 40-50fps at 1680x1050 in that particular demo in DX10

Face it, Vista is much better! the issue syou have raised sound like driver bugs completely to be honest.

I have an nvidia card and an xfi and an nforce mobo and have zero driver issues.

Iraklis F.C. · 22 May 2007 at 16:22

sup3rc0w said:
With one sentence in your post, you have proven your opinion is miss-guided by hear say and nonsense.

okay, 4 gigs of ram vista H.premium 64 bits on startup it consumes 1 gig of ram. fresh install , please explain why is this happening. Where goes my precious 1 gig of ram?

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:24

mrk said:
The DX9 demo runs worse if what people have posted in various threads are anything to go by.

I get 40-50fps at 1680x1050 in that particular demo in DX10

Face it, Vista is much better! the issue syou have raised sound like driver bugs completely to be honest.

I have an nvidia card and an xfi and an nforce mobo and have zero driver issues.

You're obviously one of these people who're completely incapable of comparing performance on two systems, you're also one of the only XFI owners that's happy with the crap Vista support and you also appear incapable of actually reading reviews on the poor performance of the lost planet demo under DX10 in comparison to the DX9 demo, once you've attained a clue, please feel free to contribute something a little more worthwhile.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:24

Iraklis F.C. said:
okay, 4 gigs of ram vista H.premium 64 bits on startup it consumes 1 gig of ram. fresh install , please explain why is this happening. Where goes my precious 1 gig of ram?

It's not going anywhere, Vista will use your ram to best effect, this is normal...this is why vista responds faster to application loading compared to XP.

I have 2gb ram and almost 1GB used with a 2GB readyboost disk, I see very very little disk thrashing this way.

Iraklis F.C. · 22 May 2007 at 16:27

mrk said:
It's not going anywhere, Vista will use your ram to best effect, this is normal...this is why vista responds faster to application loading compared to XP.

I have 2gb ram and almost 1GB used with a 2GB readyboost disk, I see very very little disk thrashing this way.

i see no faster respondings, have you actually used win XP pro 64bit? it is miles faster.

Ok , i dont wanna sound like anti-microsoft down with vista etc , i liked vista but i was expecting more out of them. i am not happy with the result, thats all.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:28

Cuchulain said:
You're obviously one of these people who're completely incapable of comparing performance on two systems, you're also one of the only XFI owners that's happy with the crap Vista support and you also appear incapable of actually reading reviews on the poor performance of the lost planet demo under DX10 in comparison to the DX9 demo, once you've attained a clue, please feel free to contribute something a little more worthwhile.

Excuse me young sir :eek:

Before actually installing Vista I had tried the RC and BETA and did not like them, I have been using XP Pro since XP was released and never though I'd like Vista and on top of that all the bad press it's been getting by people like "you" and on various news sites like the Reg ( :rolleyes:

) but after running it a week after the first few days of minor software/video codec bugs I had everything updated and running smoothly.

I'm not just "one" of the very few, I am one of many who have no issues at all on Vista now and my Xfi xtreme Gamer sound card works perfectly fine in games and in general entertainment.

I think you should take your finger pointing style attitude to another place!

Besides, you're being a fool, you yourself state that:

appreciate that most of the problems are probably down to immature drivers

So why not try different drivers out to resolve performance/issues ? there are many gfx drivers out for vista each with varying degrees of performance. None of them are final yet either and with each official release they keep getting better.

Seriously... :rolleyes:

You're the one that needs to think first.

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:34

mrk said:
I'm not just "one" of the very few, I am one of many who have no issues at all on Vista now and my Xfi xtreme Gamer sound card works perfectly fine in games and in general entertainment.

You've never looked at the Creative support forum I guess, tell me, how do you alter the treble & bass for your Xfi with no Mode Switcher under Vista?

I think you should take your finger pointing style attitude to another place!

Just as soon as we get a retraction on your competely uninformed and factually dubious comments regarding lost planet & DX10, here, take a look at the FPS in these two screenshots.

Directx9: http://www.derryonline.com/images/lpdx9a.jpg

Directx10: http://www.derryonline.com/images/lpdx10a.jpg

Cuchulain · 22 May 2007 at 16:35

mrk said:
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Please, enough, everything you've posted so far in this thread has been tripe and I'm no longer listening.

mrk · 22 May 2007 at 16:41

Cuchulain said:
You've never looked at the Creative support forum I guess, tell me, how do you alter the treble & bass for your Xfi with no Mode Switcher under Vista?

Just as soon as we get a retraction on your competely uninformed and factually dubious comments regarding lost planet & DX10, here, take a look at the FPS in these two screenshots.

Directx9: http://www.derryonline.com/images/lpdx9a.jpg

Directx10: http://www.derryonline.com/images/lpdx10a.jpg

Everyone's system will run differently even if they are more or less the same. it depends on harwdare configuration and system drivers installed. Comparing what some joe on some website gets to what I get is not accurate.

As for treble control etc, I don't need it and never will need it, I have an amplifier where I output to and control everything off that but for the record:

And no mode switcher? are you SURE?

Cuchulain said:
Please, enough, everything you've posted so far in this thread has been tripe and I'm no longer listening.

Good for you, you're the one mis-informed not me

Edit*

I also read reviews and articles that Vista learns how you use it and the files you access most often, it arranges the drive to accomodate for this which is why even with indexing off you experience some disk usage when normally there would not be any. This happens for several days until it settles into optimum usage. This backs up what I experienced the first few days too.

Sounds to me like you didn't use it long enough and immediately brushed it off as rubbish..