Why is slavery such a bad thing? (I don't mean racial, just people having a slave)

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Why is it such a bad thing?

People on benefits for over 2 years in my opinion should be designated an owner. Therefore, when they do tasks for their own who will be required to educate them, they will have earned their dole money. This makes sense. It will help them build skills for working life, get them motivated to find non slave work. Its the perfect system. Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind.

Obviously disabled people and the elderly are exempt from this. Only those who can work but choose not too should be given an owner by the government.

Obviously there should be no discrimination based on origin or skin colour. If you're British and you're white and you've been claiming for 2 years + you should be a slave, no question about that, as Sir Alex would say.

Slavery back in the day was inhumane and disgusting because it was done out of racial hatred. In this scenario its done out of making the system better and helping socio-economics. If the slave steals for their owner, they get their benefits cut. If the slave refuses to work, they get their benefits cut. Obviously there would be designated hours, 5 per day seems fair enough to me for a slave to work if they're getting dole money.

The only thing the owner would have to do is to feed the slave mid way through their shift which seems reasonable.

Anyone else agree? A moderate slave system would work in the UK. :cool:
 
Craig1981 said:
Because its a fundemental breach of our human rights? The right to be free?
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It would be a legally operated system. They would still have human rights. However, while in work they should do as they're told as long as it involves the work, common sense can be used.

And such a system would be completely open to corruption and abuse. Would slaves still have the vote? What happened if they refused to work? Would they be tortured? Imprisoned? Executed?
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Not really. They would still have the vote. If they refused to work they'd have their benefits cut for lack of commitment to the cause. They wouldn't be tortured or anything sadistic like that from the old era, they'd be financially penalised for a period.
 
trigger-happy said:
now in today's world we call it being a butler or a servant and forcibly changing your own name to Jeffrey or Jeeves. :D
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Skidder said:
Do you mean that you think people should provide some form of service to earn their benefits? If so why use the emotive language?
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Slavery hasn't always been a bad thing. Its only looked upon in a negative light because modern Britains are ashamed of what has happened in the past and rightfully so. That stemmed from racial hatred. However, across the world, slave type of regimes have worked wonders and this is proven.

There is nothing wrong with a MSS (Managed Slave System) in my opinion. As long as equality was still there and they were still respected as humans. It wouldn't be racist, it would be a case of 'right, you've had 2 years to work, you've taken from the system for too long, now we're going to find you someone to work for in return for the benefits you receive, if you decline, they will be stopped with immediate effect'.
 
joxang said:
What the hell?? You're not describing slaves...you're describing employees.

Why even bother using the term unless you're trying to get a rise out of people? It's unbelievably unnecessary and pointless in this context.
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They'd be slaves. An employee has set things they're contractually bound to do.

A slave has to do anything they are told by their owner. Two different things entirely. If the owner tells the slave 'I'm cooking, so in the meantime go pick up the dog poo out the back garden', then the slave has to do it. If not they have their benefits cut.

Also, employees legally have to work for a minimum wage. Slave wage would equal JSA meaning less than minimum wage per hour.

5 x 5 = 25. So they'd get just over £2 per hour

Oh, and owners can trade/sell and buy slaves from each other or the government. There would be a slave list with all their skills.
 
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Craig1981 said:
You think it being government sanctioned makes it automatically ok? The Egyptians rulers kept an entire race as slaves, which obviously was approved by their rulers. Does that makes it ok??

And how the heck do you financially penolise a slave? A slave is not paid for their labour. An employee or servant recieves wages.

Do I really need to point out how utterly stupid this whole thread is? Are you some kind of neo nazi or something? You'll be suggesting herding them "work" camps next.
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The system would work as;

They get benefits anyway.

They do slave work out of respect for recipient of those benefits.

If they choose not to work. They disrespect the taxpayers.

In doing so, they are punished by having their benefits cut.

Simple algorithm.
 
Craig1981 said:
Do I really need to point out how utterly stupid this whole thread is? Are you some kind of neo nazi or something? You'll be suggesting herding them "work" camps next.
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Do you read the Daily Mail? This is the sort of response I'd expect from one of their readers. In all seriousness, maybe in not putting it across that well but my system works and is very good. Trust me, I'm an engineer.
 
joxang said:
OP isn't a neo-nazi, he just thinks a 'slave' is someone you buy at a charity auction to do your dishes for a week.
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No, its because you don't understand there are different types of slaves.

Chattel slaves, forced labour slaves, debt slaves. Anyone with an education in history would know this. Even in modern times debt slavery is rife, especially in the middle east.
 
franco_22 said:
Maybe not everyone on benefits chooses not to work ? Have you ever thought of the possibility that there genuinely are not many jobs out there and even less skill paid jobs for skilled and educated people?

What kind of retard are you that suggests that every one on JSA is lazy and doesn't want to work and should be made a slave? This is the most retarded post I've ever seen on GD without a doubt.
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If you can't find a job in 2 years you're doing it wrong.

Nowhere did I suggest everyone on JSA is lazy, hence why I stated there should be a 2 year period. Thats more than enough time to find a job, any job.

The fact you cannot read is shocking, truly shocking.
 
joxang said:
I don't think anyone would be taking issue with what you've said if you said:

Whole-bodied people who can't find jobs and are on benefits should still work for their money.

So, if capable, they should be set on jobs such as community service, or helping the elderly with tasks in their homes, or if they aren't trustworthy enough, with street-cleaning etc.

A very sensible suggestion.

Instead, totally idiotically, you said THEY SHOULD BE SLAVES, completely misunderstanding the concept of a 'slave', and insisting that 'slaves' is what they actually are. A SLAVE IS SOMEONE OWNED BY ANOTHER HUMAN. They don't bloody work from 9-5.
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This is the point though, THEY WOULD BE OWNED. Just like a car, the owner would have a document to say this person is their property. The only difference is, they only have legal right to have this property work for them for certain hours of the day. 5 hours max. a bit like some car insurance policies that only cover you for certain hours of the day. Same sort of thing.
 
flibbage0 said:
So community service?
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No, as they'd be owned.

The owner has a document which states they own 'Slave A'.

The owner has slavery restrictions imposed on him by the government.

Restrictions being

- You can't use any form of violence as punishment of your slave
- You must feed your slave midway through a shift
- The maximum shift a slave can do per 24 hours is 5 hours

The slave has restrictions too

- You must do at least 25 hours per a 7 day week to keep 100% benefits
- Anything less will be calculated as a percentage.

If the slave doesn't work the hours then the owner must speak contact the government, and tell them in detail how many hours worked and the reason the slave didn't do the task the owner told them they must do. The government will then impose the sanction financially.

There will be a slave database with all the people who are fit to work on benefits for longer than 2 years. This will contain their name, address, skill set and cost. You can purchase the slave from the government who initially owns them. Then owners can buy/sell/trade slaves for other slaves, money or whatever they want, PS3's maybe.

At any point during their slavery life a slave is free to seek full time employment. When this is done and they are registered as paying tax they will automatically be removed from the slave register.
 
Robbo said:
That proves nothing.
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Okay, well I'm going to leave this thread now and let the moderators do their job.

It was a brilliant idea no one could debunk and therefore people decided to call me britboy, who seems to be some old member the current members are still infatuated with. If thats how you roll, then who am I to judge? I'll leave you to it. :)
 
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