Why no Titan X Pascal?

[voidshatter]

I've been away from paying attention to the hardware community for a while. Every time I needed to upgrade, I just simply buy a few copies of the top-end graphics cards and do SLI/CrossFire and get it running for like 2-3 years (like 2-3 generations) without worrying about performance. I know it's not efficient but I'm lazy

This time I've been trying to buy the top-end graphics cards, but I don't seem to be able to find any retailer selling the Titan X Pascal. What's wrong with it? The only place that seems to have these in stock is geforce.co.uk. Not even the long-term nVidia partner EVGA makes water-cooled solutions for it.

Is it because the Titan X Pascal is now phasing out, and getting replaced by something new (with imminent announcements)?

 

[voidshatter]

Interesting.

I have noticed that nVidia is selling the Titan X Pascal in the UK through Digital River Ireland Ltd. Their terms of sale says

17. GOVERNING LAW AND JURISDICTION

17.1 These Terms shall be governed by English Law and we both agree to the non exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of England over the Terms and any matter related to them, and all proceedings shall be conducted in English.

I have had unhappy returns procedure with Digital River before regarding a faulty Lenovo laptop. Maybe this is a way they setup to prevent geeks from getting the overclock gems by "trial and return" with retailers?

 

[voidshatter]

Exactly my reason for purchasing titan xp, glory days of sli'ing 670's, 780 ti's are gone. prefer getting hold of a good titan xp on water and ocing that till it satisfies me at 4k, than having problems with sli or memory cap (COD and rise of the tomb raider exceed 10-11gb videoram at times, so go figure).

This is an eye-opener for me. I didnt realise that SLI/CF are no longer good nowadays. Thanks for pointing out. It appears that a single GPU with watercooling is the best way to go.

Just a side question: if I plan to order 3-4 copies and return 2-3 copies and only keep the best one, how should I select based on ASIC quality scores? Or it's less relevant for watercooling? I don't want to dismantle cards that I want to return, just to find how they perform under watercooling.

 

[voidshatter]

OCUK would have no option but to honour the law and allow a return within 14 days:

Under UK law, OCUK (and other retailers) have to abide by the Consumer Contracts Regulations.

"Your right to cancel an order for goods starts the moment you place your order and ends 14 days from the day you receive your goods."

OCUK (and other retailers) are able to charge you a fee if the value of the goods has been diminished, for example if you've broken the seal, got fingerprints on it, etc etc

"You are liable for any diminished value of the goods resulting from the handling other than what is necessary to establish the nature, characteristics and functioning of the goods. For example, if it goes beyond the sort of handling that might reasonably be allowed in a shop. We will deduct this amount from the value of the refund."


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/support-details

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So yes, there is nothing stopping someone ordering 10xTitanXP from NVIDIA, testing each one for the best sample, then returning the 9 other cards under this law. They may be charged a fee due to the opened boxes/broken seals/used or due to the fact the GPU is now a little dusty etc.

Note I don't agree with this practice at all, I think there should be a another kind of seal on the PCI-E connector, which once broken, voids the right to return due during this 14 days etc, though you can bet many do abuse this law.

nVidia and the graphics card manufacturers have made it hard for the consumers. If they bin their GPUs according to overclockability and set the pricing accordingly then I'd be happy to pay more for the gems that overclock better.

"Trial and return" is surely inefficient and may cause both sides (the consumer and the retailer) lose money. Unfortunately this is how some of the geeks are making their way into the Hall of Fame of 3DMark.

 

[voidshatter]

A number of those geeks are members of this forum and they don't use the above method to get on the 3DMark Hall of Fame.

How do they do it? Buy dozens as new and sell dozens as second-hand? That's exceptionally rich, for some ladder that gets refreshed approx. every 12 months...

 

[voidshatter]

No

They just use what turns up first time.

If you mean to make it to the top 100 then yes I believe you. If you mean top 10 then it would be really lucky.

 

[voidshatter]

No luck

In the pic below are 3 people who are OcUK forums members

They are all using normal Pascal Titans. 8 Pack is using LN2 on the CPU but not the GPUs.

Nearly all Pascal Titans can hit these sort of clocks, you don't have to be lucky.

You mean the Titan X Pascal GPUs are never the bottleneck, but instead the 6950X would require some luck?

 

[voidshatter]

To keep buying 6950X cpu's till you get a special one can work out expensive but 8pack is in a better position than most, he can most likely try all he wants too, good luck to him, after all we wouldn't mind to be in that position. as for my titan XP its the first one I got, and no reason to send it back. it will do 2114 core and memory's not bad either. no complaints here, and if someone can afford to buy 5 and pick the best one, good luck to them. they all seem quite close to me because of the max V=core you can use. LN2 different story of course.

Could you give me some details as to why he could try many samples? (Sorry I'm new here so I'm not familiar with this.) Thanks!

 

[voidshatter]

Because 8pack works for OCUK and bin's special CPU's for sale, if he finds a golden chip he would have course try it for world record purposes, he holds a few overclocking world records. any one in his position would do the same. like anything else when you buy retail its pot luck if you get a good overclocking CPU or GPU, if you chase records it would get expensive to keep buying and hopeing you get a good one. as 8pack says only 3% of the new 6700k cpu's can make 5.2 ghz and that's what you pay for. far better than buying 33 cpu's to get 1 good clocking one.

WOW this is awesome - exactly what I've been looking for! Great