Why...the question is why?

[ElRazur]

They or their fore-fathers came to this country hoping for a better lives - they get one. A better society, housing, proper public transport, a democratic society etc, but now they decide to turn on the same hand that fed them...why?

They refuse to integrate, instead we are seen as immoral and we should change our ways completely for them. They even belive it is their god-given right to do so, some of them refuse to work but instead prefer to live off the public funds and yet still wanna harm us....why?

Why are young men of this country willing to die for their beliefs so as to make a point and in the process taking as many lives as possible? I cant comprehend what will make a man do this, can someone please explain why to me...

If you dont like it here why come here? Why cant they live in peace and harmony with the fellow humans? Why blow up innocent people, yet we cant voice out our concerns for the fear of being labelled (insert word).......phobia or .....st

As much as im asking why, little do they realise that, the anger in the community (those of us deemed immorals and non-belivers) is getting bigger and it will get to a point where we will all lash out at once - imagine the ferocity and damage it will do, imagine the scale and the changes it will possibly bring about? No this aint a call for an all out war, more like the realities of things to come IF situation is not fast-addressed.

Why should i change my lifestyle or the way i live so as not to offend someone who refuse to abide by the law of the land? We allow them practise of their religion, they are allowed to errect their place of worship without fear of attack or retribution. Those who are suppose to represent us even bow to their pressure.....what im trying to say is this - We are a tolerant society, infact too tolerant! I think it comes apoint where we cant afford to sit back and let this dirt-kicking in our eyes continue.

Remember that popular holy city? they dont even allow other religion to be practised at all or allow them to have a shrine. Perhaps we should sink that low and do the same here - you know fight fire with water and fire.

Bear with me, im almost done here. Why would anyone in their right mind wanna blow up planes in mid-air? This plane will contain/carrying people who practise same religion as those who blew them up in the first instance, you know....This aint a war on us or the west.....This is a war on humanity. The big question is Why? What do they plan on achieving....a world-wide domination where we go back in -time to two centuries....

And finally, with the recent event in the news, i can bet my money it is from these same people (religion-wise)...Oh wait, maybe im wrong...time will tell. In the mean-time, im still asking why?

 

[ElRazur]

Bloody darkie ***** send them all back to africa.

I quite like your sense of humour but i think you might wanna screen those coming from Algeria, Morrocco, Somalia and possibly Egypt first?

 

[ElRazur]

I agree - get the blacks and yellows out!

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El - don't try and be dramatic. If you have something to say, say it without mindless rhetoric.

*n

You missed on the reds, browns and mixed race too.

I wasnt trying to be dramatic....far from it, im saying things i see happening here and right now i have a big question mark on my head.

 

[ElRazur]

I'm not trying to be funny, throw all the jews down the well so my country can be free. Black *****.

You are trying too hard,
That was an Ali g's line. Are you gonna contribute or carry on trying to make me laugh?

 

[ElRazur]

I look around this country and all I see is mindless, corrupted, greedy, weak people who are convinced that the universe revolves around them. They have an amazing mind that could accomplish so much, and they honour that gift by ingesting as much big brother, eastenders, cigarettes, alcohol, etc that they can. Our society is dead but its not because of immigrants, its because we have no code and no honour.

So, what makes me wonder is not why do they wanna blow us up, but why the hell would they wanna come here in the first place?

We can say that about any nation (US comes to mind), i think we are a great nation but people are starting to feel like we aint being listened to anymore and we seem to be caving in to pressure from a single religion. The society is well and alive perhaps we need some sort of stimulation?

Same question i asked myself, im sure someone will provide an answer or an insight.

 

[ElRazur]

He has a point though, seems like you missed it big time

Trying to accuse me of being a bigot or playing a racism card?

 

[ElRazur]

No it wasn't ali g's line. Blacks like you should be sent home, all you do is set fire to cars, wear fishnet vests, stink out nightclubs and have crusty elbows.

Really? perhaps you have point. I think those actions you describe fits in well with the profile of Millwall fans.

Erm, seriously i think i see your point but what i was trying to imply in my original post was those who refuse to play by the rules should either start doing so or find other alternatives.

 

[ElRazur]

Surely they is only one other alternative and that is they don't play by the rules. Since they are already doing that, what is your point?

Do you really think they play by the rules? Why aint someelse practising other main stream religion be responsible for Terror plot, Bomb scare etc in the UK, why does it happen so that everytime an arrest is made...suprise, surprise they turn out to be Muslims? Coincidence?

Why dont we get other religions trying to blow up innocent people here at home? could this be because they play by the rules and respect the laws of the land?

 

[ElRazur]

Maybe but some may only be second generation British citizens, I also wonder how many of the terrorists would call themselves British.

Personally, i dont even think it is about being british or not. What my view is this - why do you stand, why does you allegiance lie? You are either with us or against us.

I get mad when i hear phrases like "britsh-muslim of pakistsani origin", I dont care where your origin is from, what matters is this, if you are living and making your living here or better still once you are here, you abide by the rules and know that YOU ARE WITH US. If they dont like it tough.

 

[ElRazur]

In a nutshell El, and this is my humble opinion, people are sometimes blinded by religion..

Thanks for sharing your perspective and insight, It is a good thing you didnt jump on the band wagon. **thumbs up**

 

[ElRazur]

You have misinterpreted what I have written.

Personally, I'm equally if not a little more concerned about our increasing crime levels in this country. Black-on-Black, the Gun problem and drugs are killing and destroying more lives.

Oh my bad.

I agree with you on that one. I said it before and im saying it again - People feel like the govt aint representing us in areas where we want them to. More should be down to tackle that kind of crime.

 

[ElRazur]

I don't disagree entire with a review of immigration, I just think it won't solve the problem.

Perhaps it will work better than nothing. Let put things in perspective, the british embassy in Nigeria used to ger loads of application to come over here, what they found is this - Most of the application are always fradulent, not enough proof to show they have the right financial support, etc. To cut a long story short, British emmbassy then decide to introduce the use of quotas and points for an application in my country.....Guess what, application for visa fall by more than 50% and most of the problems encontered initially was reduced to a manageble level.

If it can work in Nigeria, it will definitely work if introduced here.

 

[ElRazur]

Black people don't play by the rules, can we send them all back to nigeria too?

Why not, i mean they have bigger dicks and think they are all Chief and prince ....so why not?

Stop being silly, im reffering to those who refuse to integrate, thinks we are immorals and want us to change for them, those who want sharia law.....Dont you get it?

 

[ElRazur]

What about the blacks who don't integrate, living in their ghettos listening to their rubbish black music and eating soul food. Why should we be accomodating their culture, they aren't white, hence they have no right.

I didnt know that music has colours? thanks for enlightening me.
Have you seen the list of things ive eaten before? (see my thread on that) I dont think some of it classed as soul food. I had a full english breakfast this morning - i guess by your standard im intergrating?

For how long do i have to string you along? come to think of it, im starting to like it.



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Can i at this point say thank you to CBS for teaching me how to keep my head when debating and DMpoole for teaching me the art of sarcasm. Thank you both.

 

[ElRazur]

and maybe instead of posting such slanderous stuff, that wasted energy could go into a solution ELRAZUR?

the black music awards seemed to be defined by colour and origin.

isnt this negatively effecting the UK culture, and bringing with it, gun culture, and gangster culture on a scale which we do not want?

your definition of the problem is too large to target one small centralised group.

What is slanderous about what i said? It is a long op but please take your time and choose your pick! I guess one cannot satisfy the forum. I made a thread tittled "Possible middle east solutions" and i remember someone having a go at me! Now im talking about a problem we have yet im getting sticks...you guys gimme jokes.

You now dived into how black this and black that......Erm let me stop you for one second. This thread is about the current problem people living in this country are facing and me talking about it is not far-stretched. Im asking a series of questions and painting a picture of what i see happenning but clearly you dont see it that way.

Read the op AGAIN and come back and talk to me please.

 

[ElRazur]

There will always be nutbars, extremist, who don't think they are able to do anything without resorting to violence, whatever their beliefs.

Sad thing is, this is all that they feel they can turn to... perhaps part of the solution would have been to find out what their issues were and take the preventative step of trying to solve them.

I agree

I do agree with you to some extent but how do you sort out an problem or whatever issue they've got when it will appear that fundamentally our ways and their belief is not even compatible and better still they think it is a righteous right for them to perceive us an immorals and infidels? Perhaps this is like a case of oil and water dont mix, maybe the only solution is two place both in different containers?

 

[ElRazur]

Without wanting to derail your thread ElRazur I think the main reason people react to a post made about peoples intolerance by yourself is that in the past you have made some pretty intolerant posts yourself, and saying immigrants should like it or leave is pretty hypocritical, considering you're young , black etc etc etc and an immigrant yourself

I see your point on why certain posters have been trying to derail this thread. The only intolerant view they can say i have shown in the past is my view on gay/homosexuals. I have always maintain, and i still do, that my view on them dont mean i will attack anyone of them or behave in any homophobic way towards them in real life (or virtual world) because that will be breaking the law. I am within the law to express my view on them, and when i expresss my view i dont mention that they should be burn and all those nonsense...I dont agree with what they do but who am i to stop them? that's my view and tough if people in dont like it.

As for the rest of your post, i wanna say thanks too and i do agree with you.

 

[ElRazur]

I'm happy for all Brits/whites/Christians to leave their country if "they" leave Great Britain ..... seem a fair trade to me.

I like that, quite funny. lol

 

[ElRazur]

When blacks stop walking down the street like 50 cent with a piece in their hip, then you'll be integrated.

Do you have anything constructive to say? when you do, come back. I will be waiting.

 

[ElRazur]

will carry on after mi tea. but u assert a lot of problems, and then attribute them to those u see fit to carry them. my point would be that a lot of the problems this country is facing (real problems such as Gun culture, gangsta culture etc) are not religion based and are infact propogated by other immigrant groups other than asians

re-read your first post, anf then for the majoirty of them consider different groups who are in the country;

"they get one. A better society, housing, proper public transport, a democratic society etc, but now they decide to turn on the same hand that fed them...why?"

yep why did they bring gangsta rap, and drug culture, and gun culture? i dont know.

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They refuse to integrate, instead we are seen as immoral and we should change our ways completely for them. They even belive it is their god-given right to do so, some of them refuse to work but instead prefer to live off the public funds "

some even live off illegal drug trade!

"If you dont like it here why come here? Why cant they live in peace and harmony with the fellow humans? "

because they want to sell drugs and make money?

i could go on, but i wont. but its clear that immigration is causing massive decay within the UK. how can you define the perpetrators so easily as being asian, when from my viewpoint they come from many backgrounds/

Ive never done this before but im gonna reply to the last part of your post first
.....OMGWTF are you high? At what point did i suggestted or hinted that asians are to be blamed? unless im blind, i was so shocked i had to re-read my own post again just to make sure. If anything my post was about how a particular RELIGION is been used to make life they way we did not want it to be in the UK. Perhaps you missed the bit where i said this

Bear with me, im almost done here. Why would anyone in their right mind wanna blow up planes in mid-air? This plane will contain/carrying people who practise same religion as those who blew them up in the first instance, you know....This aint a war on us or the west.....This is a war on humanity. The big question is Why? What do they plan on achieving....a world-wide domination where we go back in -time to two centuries....

And finally, with the recent event in the news, i can bet my money it is from

these same people (religion-wise)...

Oh wait, maybe im wrong...time will tell. In the mean-time, im still asking why?

I dont play racist card at all, i see beyond colours but i wont hesistate to speak out about religion maddness.

Now im gonna take on the rest of your post as they come.

Yes clearly their are certain crimes that have become associated with the black communities no doubt, but it will appear that you only brought this in as you seem to not understand what i said in my Op hence i wont dive into that area for now.