Wider wheels and tyres

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after watching an engineering explained video i think i want some wide wheels (and tyres) for my alto at the moment i am running avon 155/65 R13 tyres with steel wheels.

Now he talks about getting higher grip tyres in the video, but at this current wheel/tyre size i am limited to full race slicks or eco poo tyres.

I think maybe getting some wider wheels that are alloy could improve my grip and my choice of tyres.

looking at something like this maybe, but i am not sure if i am best off going with wider 13" or going upto 14"?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/14-Mazda-...605456?hash=item25c8bcc950:g:TIkAAOSwux5YKwRp
 
Plenty of decent tyres in that size. Ask in the big thread, but I can see eco contacts, efficient grip, street response etc. Cheap too.

I would say don't expect much extra grip unless you go a lot wider. My gf's Smart can take two sizes with a 20mm difference between them (155 front/175 rear, or 175 front/195 rear). We've had both on there and she didn't notice any difference with grip either way. Went with the narrower ones in the end. Have a look in your handbook.

Note if you go for bigger wheels (R15 from R13) you'll need to get lower profile tyres or the car will get confused (meters and traction control).
 
Where do people get the impression that wider wheels give more grip.
Going for a wider wheel will probably have a negative effect on your car as your increasing the unsprung weight.
 
Does a Suzuki Alto, which Whatcar says the 2016 model has a plentiful 67bhp, have enough power to need more grip?

OP - is your driving style "death or glory" everyday to need more grip? Don't forget to declare the changes to your insurer.
 
Where do people get the impression that wider wheels give more grip.
Going for a wider wheel will probably have a negative effect on your car as your increasing the unsprung weight.

To a certain degree they do give more grip, if they didn't then every car would have thin wheels?
Unsprung weight can be mitigated to some degree through uprated suspension components.


Does a Suzuki Alto, which Whatcar says the 2016 model has a plentiful 67bhp, have enough power to need more grip?

OP - is your driving style "death or glory" everyday to need more grip? Don't forget to declare the changes to your insurer.

It's not a 2016 model - it's an older Turbo import model that I believe the OP is planning on modding, so I'm sure his insurer is probably already well aware.
 
Plenty of decent tyres in that size. Ask in the big thread, but I can see eco contacts, efficient grip, street response etc. Cheap too.

I would say don't expect much extra grip unless you go a lot wider. My gf's Smart can take two sizes with a 20mm difference between them (155 front/175 rear, or 175 front/195 rear). We've had both on there and she didn't notice any difference with grip either way. Went with the narrower ones in the end. Have a look in your handbook.

Note if you go for bigger wheels (R15 from R13) you'll need to get lower profile tyres or the car will get confused (meters and traction control).
i am fully aware that i need low profile tyres. the main reason for the size upgrade isnt for the extra grip, but the larger choice of tyres.
Where do people get the impression that wider wheels give more grip.
Going for a wider wheel will probably have a negative effect on your car as your increasing the unsprung weight.
this is a factor i have considered, but i think even though they are wider, they may not be that much heavier due to them larger wheels being alloy oppose to my current steelies.

Suzuki ignis shares same bolt pattern so give that an eBay to see what's available.
I will give that a look as well :)
Does a Suzuki Alto, which Whatcar says the 2016 model has a plentiful 67bhp, have enough power to need more grip?

OP - is your driving style "death or glory" everyday to need more grip? Don't forget to declare the changes to your insurer.
mine is a 2006 which is suppose to have 61hp :D but i accord to the dyno at ti motorsport is has 67HP.

Also most of the racing i do is very tight so the more cornering speed i can hold the better, if you watch the video i linked, you will see that 10% more grip round a tight track is faster than having 2x the HP
To a certain degree they do give more grip, if they didn't then every car would have thin wheels?
Unsprung weight can be mitigated to some degree through uprated suspension components.

It's not a 2016 model - it's an older Turbo import model that I believe the OP is planning on modding, so I'm sure his insurer is probably already well aware.
This is a na 1106cc 4cyl uk model, the JDM turbo models(which are really cool) are 660cc turbo with 3cyl and they even come in 4wd.


Just to clarify the car has been used for hillclimbing and drag racing this year. i only have done a couple of events but i want to do a lot more and maybe try a few sprint next year as well. The main purpose of buying some cheap alloys is to see what i can fit in the arches and to see the differences it makes on the road and track. i may have to try a few different sizes before i get it spot on but i am just trying to get a good set to start.

another thing i am considering is that bigger wheels or small wheels will affect my gearing as well. this is very important on hillclimbs when i dont have much power.
 
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To a certain degree they do give more grip, if they didn't then every car would have thin wheels?
Unsprung weight can be mitigated to some degree through uprated suspension components.




It's not a 2016 model - it's an older Turbo import model that I believe the OP is planning on modding, so I'm sure his insurer is probably already well aware.

How do you think they give me grip, they give different properties of grip. More grip would require a larger contact patch which would require less pressure in the tyre or more weight in the car to increase the contact area.
 
How do you think they give me grip, they give different properties of grip. More grip would require a larger contact patch which would require less pressure in the tyre or more weight in the car to increase the contact area.

??? :confused::confused:

Surely a wider tyre does have a large contact patch though?
 
??? :confused::confused:

Surely a wider tyre does have a large contact patch though?

No just a different profile you go from a long thin contact patch to a wide thin contact patch.

Think about it you have the same weight pushing down, if the tyre is the same pressure the patch will be the same size.

Its a fairly complicated subject as the tyre sidewall can interfere with how much the tyre can mold to the surface, if that's a factor going side can help so can increasing the tyre size.
 
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Wider tyres is an interesting one, as an example i've heard from several sources that the original Lotus Elan handles the best on its intended tyre size and putting on wide tyres doesn't really make much difference (usually just making the handling worse) as you've only got the same weight of tyre and just less pressure over the contact patch. I've also heard the same thing with a few hot hatches over the years.

I think unless the car was under specced from the beginning (which could be the case to increase economy while happily sacrificing grip) keeping around the standard tyre size is usually best unless heavily modified.

But then i'm no expect so everything i've said is probably all toss :p
 
I'd be inclined to spend the money on better quality tyres rather than upset the handling that Suzuki spent millions of yen/dollars/whatever getting right.

Sod the tyres, massive aero is what you need for more grip. Preferably made in your own shed, makes you go faster.

I see what you did thar :) :)
 
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