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Will AMD ever compete with Intel again?
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Never again as Intel's R&D budget nowadays dwarfs AMD's profitIntel can afford to be several steps ahead they just hold back the fastest CPU's for years now until channel stocks are low which is why they only bring out new tech once/twice a year.
I think when it comes to R&D the cash advantage Intel has while is important to some extent isn't the be all and end all at the end of the day there's only a handful of people in the whole world who really understand these things and it only takes one person to come up with a bright idea that can give a company a competitive advantage. ARM is a good example, their designs are used all over the place, phones, microwaves, washing machines, computers yet Intel can't seem to develop anything that can compete with ARM's designs despite the money advantage.
How do you know they won't come out with a ground-breaking processor that beats the 3960 by 329402%?
Well..you don't. It could happen, so don't be so quick to write off a company.
I think bulldozer gets bad reviews because if you post the word 'bulldozer' on any thread you'll have atleast 5 people saying 'they're terrible, they have no use and are bad at everything' which just isn't true. For the price, when you take off the £20 cashback and the deus ex game that comes with most of them which is another £10 that needs to be taken off you can bag a 8120@8150 for as low as £119.99 on here and many competitors.
In most multi-threaded intensive tests it keeps up with the 2600/2700s. It's the single core things that are where it fails, but if you put something from intel of the similar price range (2100/2300) it won't perform as well...
For gaming actually the dual core sandy bridge DOES do better much of the time.
On their own I think AMD will struggle to match Intel for the performance crown, at least in the short to medium term.
ARM is starting to look tasty though, and imo represents the biggest potential threat for Intel. Nvidia recently announced that they're partnering with ARM to create a CPU for the high performance desktop market. So it'll be interesting to see what they come up with. If its competitive then it should be good news all around.
ARM is starting to look tasty though, and imo represents the biggest potential threat for Intel. Nvidia recently announced that they're partnering with ARM to create a CPU for the high performance desktop market. So it'll be interesting to see what they come up with. If its competitive then it should be good news all around.
Amd may stumble across something that Gershwin them back in the game, problem is the longer they stay out of it the less chance they have of making a difference as everyone will have systems set up for intel, ie motherboards.
Those worried about intel going soft, I really don't think it will happen, they compete with themselves as they know there is a massive Market out there who want the least chips regarless of the costs.
Those worried about intel going soft, I really don't think it will happen, they compete with themselves as they know there is a massive Market out there who want the least chips regarless of the costs.
I never had Intel based rig. Always had something from amd. Phenom i got is last CPU i got from amd. And that was cos i had 3 year old MB that could take 6 core one.
I was really waiting to buy bulldozer platform for months. New MB and CPU and after that crap they released that ware supposed to be GAMERs choice of cpu.
Next time im going for Intel maybe they are not cheap but at lest you get what you pay for.
For gamers AMD is not an option nowadays.
I was really waiting to buy bulldozer platform for months. New MB and CPU and after that crap they released that ware supposed to be GAMERs choice of cpu.
Next time im going for Intel maybe they are not cheap but at lest you get what you pay for.
For gamers AMD is not an option nowadays.
I think the best AMD can hope for in the near future is finding the right price / performance range to compete at.
I just hope that they remain competitive enough to keep Intel CPUs at a reasonable price for gamers on a budget.
To be honest, I think it will take another console generation (given that everything's multi-platform these days) for PC gamers to really see the benefit of Intel CPUs that outperform what AMD have to offer.
My quad core Phenom still handles most things I chuck at it quite comfortably.
I just hope that they remain competitive enough to keep Intel CPUs at a reasonable price for gamers on a budget.
To be honest, I think it will take another console generation (given that everything's multi-platform these days) for PC gamers to really see the benefit of Intel CPUs that outperform what AMD have to offer.
My quad core Phenom still handles most things I chuck at it quite comfortably.
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maybe something will rise up to challenge the whole x86 architecture... something which allows multiple companies to license a chip and produce it themselves...
oh if only such a thing existed
yeah it looks like AMD's day is done, and that Intel may have an x86 monopoly from here on. that's why I'd look less to a company trying to compete in the x86 space and more at ARM, etc, for the future.
oh if only such a thing existed
yeah it looks like AMD's day is done, and that Intel may have an x86 monopoly from here on. that's why I'd look less to a company trying to compete in the x86 space and more at ARM, etc, for the future.
I really hope they do, always had a soft spot for amds since the early athlon days, but having just moved from an unlocked 6 core 960t to an i5 2500k cant believe how much better the i5 is, even in games such as bf3 which I thought would be the same or better on 6 cores. come on amd make piledriver what we all wanted BD to be.
AMD will never catch up (imo, obviously) because they have fallen too far behind in the development and R&D stages... their latest Bulldozer represented the pinnacle of their processing technology, and while no means a "bad" chip, it is still a few generations of power behind Intels latest and greatest CPU's. Their newest architecture simply isn't up to snuff, and that architecture generally forms the basis of their next few years of development. They are now working on improving a design that was inferior to start with... whereas Intel are building on superior technology and thus will continue to increase their lead.
Once it was different with the AMD K8 and K9 series, but those days are gone and Intel have now leapt ahead since the Core2 architecture, and AMD have just never recovered from that.
I am not sure AMD have gone off on a bit of a tangent with BD they seem to be making a few assumptions on where the market is shifting. If they have guessed right they may well in a couple of years have an advantage over intel although it will be short lived so AMD will need to keep their foot on the pedal. But they are not only competitive in other areas but doing extremely well and seem to be a couple of steps ahead of their competitors so not as black and white as the enthusiast section would make it look.
Yeah that's because the indiviual core speed is still very important even in multithreaded applications, the fact that BD is in most cases slower than a Phenom core for core is unforgiveable really.
If they had simply released a Phenom X8 they wouldn't be such a laughing stock now and I dare say most of the forum would have either a Phenom X8 or a good value 3930K. Poor decision to release BD in the state it is in, simply shelving it and keeping Phenom on shelves would have garnered AMD more business.