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Will broadwell-e fit into existing x99 motherboards?

wunkley

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As title basically. In summary, what is the upgrade path for the current x99 platform? From my limited research, Broadwell-e when it's released next year will slot right into current x99 boards, is that right?

For a new build I'm pondering about the worth of the 5930k over the 5820k, but figure I may as well try out the far cheaper and better bang for buck 5820k, and then upgrade down the line to something better if I find it limiting (by the reduced PCIe lanes)
 
Yes..but it will be the last 'upgrade' path available to X99.

But I doubt it will be any more worthwhile an 'upgrade' than Broadwell was for the Z97 i5/i7 Devils Canyon CPU's.

Even if it isn't, a 5820K X99 rig will be more than enough for the next few years (and more) anyway and you'll only really need more PCIe lanes if you plan on running more than two GPU's.
 
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Cooper said:
Yes..but it will be the last 'upgrade' path available to X99.

But I doubt it will be any more worthwhile an 'upgrade' than Broadwell was for the Z97 i5/i7 Devils Canyon CPU's.

Even if it isn't, a 5820K X99 rig will be more than enough for the next few years (and more) anyway and you'll only really need more PCIe lanes if you plan on running more than two GPU's.
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Thanks bud, as I thought. Just to reassure me ;), are there any solid, trust worthy tech sites that confirm this? I found a few hits but it was all a bit sketchy...
 
wunkley said:
As title basically. In summary, what is the upgrade path for the current x99 platform? From my limited research, Broadwell-e when it's released next year will slot right into current x99 boards, is that right?

For a new build I'm pondering about the worth of the 5930k over the 5820k, but figure I may as well try out the far cheaper and better bang for buck 5820k, and then upgrade down the line to something better if I find it limiting (by the reduced PCIe lanes)
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You'll need a BIOS update but that should be it (flash the BIOS before putting in the new chip!)

If you put a 5820k or 5930K on an X99 board now you may have a semi meaningful upgrade to an eight core '6960X' at some point but I doubt you'll see much going from a hex core Haswell-E - to a hex core Broadwell-E.

Broadwell-E will use less power and run cooler but is unlikely to clock much better due to the heat density increase caused by the die shrink from 22nm - 14nm (ie the CPU overall will be emitting less heat but because the die itself is smaller the heat per unit area will increase)
 
FredFlint said:
Hopefully Intel will add some cores to the Broadwell-E chips, The Xeon's have 14+. If not, don't think i will bother upgrading.
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mores cores means lower clocked CPU cores (check out the Xeons for example) you would need a specific workload (i.e. not gaming) to want more than 8 cores currently. In fact if you want the cores just buy a xeon. There compatible with most x99 boards anyhow (just don't expect to be overclocking them)
 
Caracus2k said:
mores cores means lower clocked CPU cores (check out the Xeons for example) you would need a specific workload (i.e. not gaming) to want more than 8 cores currently. In fact if you want the cores just buy a xeon. There compatible with most x99 boards anyhow (just don't expect to be overclocking them)
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Broadwell-E is 14nm vs 22nm Haswell-E, They could do 10-12 cores with higher clocks and still be at the same or lower power. The Xeons are up to 18 cores now(think) but they cost silly money.
 
I wouldn't buy a Intel product expecting much of a upgrade path, they like charging a pretty penny for chipsets to much.

Since sandy you would need to have bought a i3 or pentiem to have a significant upgrade to something better anyways :/
 
FredFlint said:
Broadwell-E is 14nm vs 22nm Haswell-E, They could do 10-12 cores with higher clocks and still be at the same or lower power. The Xeons are up to 18 cores now(think) but they cost silly money.
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Intel will only make consumer 10-12 core CPU's if they get enough yield from the wafers that they can be sold at consumer level prices.
 
wunkley said:
As title basically. In summary, what is the upgrade path for the current x99 platform? From my limited research, Broadwell-e when it's released next year will slot right into current x99 boards, is that right?

For a new build I'm pondering about the worth of the 5930k over the 5820k, but figure I may as well try out the far cheaper and better bang for buck 5820k, and then upgrade down the line to something better if I find it limiting (by the reduced PCIe lanes)
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Most likely, yes. Though this is Intel, and they may introduce a new chipset/socket for Broadwell-E, because, £££ :p
 
Dave2150 said:
Most likely, yes. Though this is Intel, and they may introduce a new chipset/socket for Broadwell-E, because, £££ :p
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They will introduce the new chipset / socket with skylake-e. It would not make any sense for broadwell-e to need a new socket as its the same design as haswell-e shrunk to a 14nm process. This should be obvious from looking at pretty much any recent Intel socket....

Nehalem 45nm... Westmere shrink to 32nm - i.e socket 1366

Sandybridge new design 32nm.... Ivybridge 22nm shrink I.e socket 1155

Haswell new 22nm design BroadwelL 14nm shrink. I.e socket 1150

Skylake new 14 nm design


So like socket 1150 haswell to broadwell, socket 2011-3 will take haswell-e and broadwell-e as well

Intel could release a new or improved chipset to go with the broadwell-e cpu's like the z87-z97 issue
But if that were the case we would know by now as motherboard manufactures would have to be designing and making new boards go with broadwell-e's q1 2016 launch - and there has been no mention of this

The cpu's should still work in any x99 board with a suitably flashed bios.
 
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You might see some board revisions for Broadwell-E I wouldn't expect we'll see many though if its just a simple bios update for x99.
 
colinmcr said:
You might see some board revisions for Broadwell-E I wouldn't expect we'll see many though if its just a simple bios update for x99.
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Board revisions..... yes you may see these to go with broadwell-e... But

There's no good reason to believe the chipset will change from x99. You can already slot a 10 plus core Xeon into an x99 board and broadwell-e is just a die shrink of haswell-e. Haswell to broadwell re socket 1150 involves some changes to the igpu for for broadwell that may be the cause of the compatibility issues from z87 to z97. Given broadwell-e is due q1 2016 if there was a new chipset in the offing don't you think we would if heard about it by now..........
 
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