Will it be enough?

Billy 2 Sips · 26 Jul 2006 at 15:50

I'm building a pc for my little brother and would like to know if a Seasonic S12 430W will be enough to power this spec? Also would their be enough power for overclocking the 805? The gfx card will be either a Nvidia 256mb 6600 or ATI all-in-wonder 9800 pro.

Cheers

Billy

semi-pro waster · 26 Jul 2006 at 15:52

The PSU will be fine but your graphics card still won't work because unless I am very much mistaken that is a PCI-E motherboard and the 9800pro(at least) is an AGP graphics card.

Billy 2 Sips · 26 Jul 2006 at 15:58

Ah right.....it's just I have them 2 old gfx cards, just thought they'd work. Which gfx card is decent but not to expensive that would work with that mobo?

syke · 26 Jul 2006 at 16:07

What are you wanting to use the Comp For?

Total Budget?

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Billy 2 Sips · 26 Jul 2006 at 16:16

Well my little brother will probably be using it just for homework and internet, not any major gaming.

Total budget? Under £500 hopefully

semi-pro waster · 27 Jul 2006 at 01:52

You could get a 7600gt or X1600XT and still be under the budget, if you could find one around then an X700 is almost an exact replacement for a 9800pro and should be ~£50. Probably best bet is secondhand getting a PCI-E 6800series card or a cheap X800series card.

Billy 2 Sips · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:19

Cheers for the suggestion mate....probably go with the 7600gt/gs or X1600XT as them seem decent cards.

Also one more question.......is a floppy drive needed at all or can it be forgotten about nowadays?

Raikiri · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:36

PSU will be fine, I am just testing my 805 @ 3.88ghz atm with one and it runs it fine at 3.8. I wouldnt bother with a floppy drive, never used one in the last 5 years.

locutus12 · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:48

swap the CPU mobo and cooler for the following.

CP-117-AM AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3000BPBOX) (CP-117-AM)
£49.95 £49.95

FG-000-AR Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940) (FG-000-AR)
£14.50 £14.50

MB-002-AK Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 (Socket 939 & Upgradable to AM2) AGP & PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-002-AK)
£34.50 £34.50

the AMD CPU will clock far better than that intel will, the Arctic coolers damn good and £10 less and the Asrock board is reliable, bloody fast, overclocks very well and it has AGP and PCI-E so if youve already got a 9800pro you can stick it in there for the moment untill you want to go for a PCI-E card. Oh, and the Asrock boards AM2 compatible too (via an expansion card) so when he next needs an upgrade, youve got the option of going for AM2 and DDR 2.

if you do decide to go for a PCI-E card, get an X1800XT, best bang for buck card on the market at the moment @ £165, if your looking for a cheaper less powerful alternative then the 7600GT is only £117 but has around 40% less horsepower, will still wip the hell out of the 9800pro though.

p.s. 430 watts will be enough power for your option above and my options ive given you here.

Billy 2 Sips · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:51

Raikiri said:
PSU will be fine, I am just testing my 805 @ 3.88ghz atm with one and it runs it fine at 3.8. I wouldnt bother with a floppy drive, never used one in the last 5 years.

Nice one! Amazing cpu for just over £70

I'll drop the floppy then.

locutus12 said:
swap the CPU mobo and cooler for the following.

CP-117-AM AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3000BPBOX) (CP-117-AM)
£49.95 £49.95

FG-000-AR Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940) (FG-000-AR)
£14.50 £14.50

MB-002-AK Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 (Socket 939 & Upgradable to AM2) AGP & PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-002-AK)
£34.50 £34.50

the AMD CPU will clock far better than that intel will, the Arctic coolers damn good and £10 less and the Asrock board is reliable, bloody fast, overclocks very well and it has AGP and PCI-E so if youve already got a 9800pro you can stick it in there for the moment untill you want to go for a PCI-E card. Oh, and the Asrock boards AM2 compatible too (via an expansion card) so when he next needs an upgrade, youve got the option of going for AM2 and DDR 2.

if you do decide to go for a PCI-E card, get an X1800XT, best bang for buck card on the market at the moment @ £165, if your looking for a cheaper less powerful alternative then the 7600GT is only £117 but has around 40% less horsepower, will still wip the hell out of the 9800pro though.

p.s. 430 watts will be enough power for your option above and my options ive given you here.

Thanks I'll have a look into that then seeing as it's got good upgrade potential and I can use one of my old gfx cards

locutus12 · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:52

billsterno1 said:
Nice one! Amazing cpu for just over £70 Which mobo are you using with that?

Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 and the CPU is £58 inc vat,

will easily clock to 2.5Ghz on air and perform as good as a 3.4Ghz intel P4 under the right conditions.

EDIT... you could have put that quote in sooner :rolleyes:

then i wouldnt of gotten confused

i still say your wasting your money if you go down the route of an old intel given the A64`s give much better performance per Mhz and per £ for that matter.

Raikiri · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:53

billsterno1 said:
Nice one! Amazing cpu for just over £70 I'll drop the floppy then.

What mobo I am using? (you edited it) Asus P5ND2 SLi deluxe

locutus12 said:
Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 and the CPU is £58 inc vat, will easily clock to 2.5Ghz on air and perform as good as a 3.4Ghz intel P4 under the right conditions.

My 805 is dual core, at 3.8 and cooled on air, but meh

locutus12 · 27 Jul 2006 at 03:55

Raikiri said:
My 805 is dual core, at 3.8 and cooled on air, but meh

and is his little brother really gonna use a dual core ? not to mention a venice will usually get to 2.75 on air before it has a temperature issue and at 2.75Ghz id pit the venice against a core of your 805 any day of the week and bet the blooming house on it beating it in benchies

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Raikiri · 27 Jul 2006 at 04:04

locutus12 said:
and is his little brother really gonna use a dual core ? not to mention a venice will usually get to 2.75 on air before it has a temperature issue and at 2.75Ghz id pit the venice against a core of your 805 any day of the week and bet the blooming house on it beating it in benchies ,

Heat yes, but most 3000+ can't hit 300HTT, especially not on a motherboard without voltage control. My venice maxed out at 2.5ghz, it is luck of the draw and the 805 at 3.75-3.8 matches the 2.5ghz venice in pretty much everything and beats it in things that use both cores (obviously) as well as most encoding tasks. Plus it is more future proof.

Billy 2 Sips · 27 Jul 2006 at 04:05

Ha ha sorry for the confusion with my editing. It's just I'm really tired and wasn't expecting all this help at 4am lol. Also I've got about 5 tabs open in firefox and some times make mistakes cos I'm looking at other stuff aswell.......sorry

I'll have a good look into both suggestions tomorrow, aslong as it's not better than my pc

Thanks again for the help guys I'm off to bed now.

locutus12 · 27 Jul 2006 at 04:35

Raikiri said:
Heat yes, but most 3000+ can't hit 300HTT, especially not on a motherboard without voltage control. My venice maxed out at 2.5ghz, it is luck of the draw and the 805 at 3.75-3.8 matches the 2.5ghz venice in pretty much everything and beats it in things that use both cores (obviously) as well as most encoding tasks. Plus it is more future proof.

well, my asrock board does 285HTT without an issue, and i had my venice up to 2.65Ghz on stock voltage, all venices will clock very high, hell on water they were doing 3.1Ghz. its not a case of luck of the draw, you just need a good cooler and some good ram.

given the asrock board supports DDR2 and AM2 and gives the OP a way to step his little brother up from AGP to PCI-E at a later date, i would say that its more future proof than the intel option and again hardly anything that an ordinary user such as this guys little brother would use utilises 2 cores, unless for some odd reason he is into lots and lots of encoding, dual cores a waste for an ordinary user when for less money he can have a more powerful single core option that uses less power, produces less heat, and does more work per MHz.

Raikiri · 27 Jul 2006 at 04:45

locutus12 said:
well, my asrock board does 285HTT without an issue, and i had my venice up to 2.65Ghz on stock voltage, all venices will clock very high, hell on water they were doing 3.1Ghz. its not a case of luck of the draw, you just need a good cooler and some good ram.

Well my Venice is 'living' proof against that

I have a mobo from the second best brand for overclocking AMDs (Epox) which I know is capable of 330+ HTT, has excellent voltage options etc. I am also using Geil Value and the cpu won't go any higher than 2.5ghz (stable) regardless of what voltages, HTT, multi, deviders I use.

Up to the OP what he buys but it is luck of the draw...