Will my car fail its MOT if ..... ?

Mickey_D · 4 Jan 2007 at 08:06

This is true. You know how little it takes for an insurance company to wiggle its way out of paying :mad:

Oakesy2001uk · 4 Jan 2007 at 09:07

Slime101 said:
Alternatively instead of trying to cheat the systems that are inplace to keep you safe (both ABS and MOT systems) - why not find the problem, get it sorted and stop trying to get away with a potentially dangerous vehicle?

neither my bike nor car has ABS and I'm not dead quite yet (touches wood).
It is a good thing to have, but if you know how to cadence brake its hardly the end of the world if he is a cheap skate until he can afford it. He hasn't even said it dosent work, just that the light comes on!

Saytan · 4 Jan 2007 at 09:41

re: the insurance point

surely the risk factor for an ABS car is calculated based on the fact that it has ABS

West · 4 Jan 2007 at 09:55

Saytan said:
re: the insurance point

surely the risk factor for an ABS car is calculated based on the fact that it has ABS

I think if the way I did it, surley the insurance company would not know that your ABS is out of order if you take the bulb out, as there is no bulb there telling you? unless it has a computer which they can hook up to tell you?

And at that point you could tell them that there was no fault coming up on your dash? fraud I know, but what are they to know?

Fr0dders · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:17

Slime101 said:
Alternatively instead of trying to cheat the systems that are inplace to keep you safe (both ABS and MOT systems) - why not find the problem, get it sorted and stop trying to get away with a potentially dangerous vehicle?

Slime101 said:
You just took that totally out of context and twisted it. That is not what was said or ment and you know it.

No i didnt. your original post quoted above implies that a vehicle with defective ABS brakes is "potentially dangerous". there is nothing dangerous, potential or otherwise about a vehicle without ABS. Which is what i posted.

West · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:32

I think the point was that it was only potentially dangerous is something goes wrong that may affect the braking, which is probably unlikley.

But if there was to be a claim, surley they wouldnt be able to find out?

dirtydog · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:33

Oakesy2001uk said:
neither my bike nor car has ABS and I'm not dead quite yet (touches wood).
It is a good thing to have, but if you know how to cadence brake its hardly the end of the world if he is a cheap skate until he can afford it. He hasn't even said it dosent work, just that the light comes on!

Cadence brake - do you actually think that you can press your brake on and off as quickly as ABS does it?

Slime101 · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:42

MrLOL said:
No i didnt. your original post quoted above implies that a vehicle with defective ABS brakes is "potentially dangerous". there is nothing dangerous, potential or otherwise about a vehicle without ABS. Which is what i posted.

You are even contradicting yourself.

As you rightly state, I said, if you have ABS and its deffective it is potentially dangerous.

I did not, and still do not say that cars without ABS fitted are dangerous. Get your facts straight next time. :rolleyes:

Fr0dders · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:49

Slime101 said:
You are even contradicting yourself.

As you rightly state, I said, if you have ABS and its deffective it is potentially dangerous.

how is it dangerous to have defective ABS ? its a driver aid and you dont need it. Allthough it can be usefull.

Slime101 · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:51

MrLOL said:
how is it dangerous to have defective ABS ? its a driver aid and you dont need it. Allthough it can be usefull.

Read the thread, it does say it in there about not knowing how the system will react with failing sensors and the likes makig it potentially dangerous.

Yes its an aid, but if it goes **** up at the wrong time then you are ******, cadance braking and all the driving experience in the world might nto save you when it decides to lock a wheel randomly @ 90mph because you dabbed the brakes and the system went nuts because its faulty and wasnt fixed!

West · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:53

MrLOL said:
how is it dangerous to have defective ABS ? its a driver aid and you dont need it. Allthough it can be usefull.

Which is TRUE.

But I think what people are getting at is that it MAY interfier with the braking if it is playing up.. and theres always a chance that if it its an electrical issue that it may affect the other systems in the car.. which is kinda silly, as I drive and my ABS isnt functional.. and there is nout different about the way the car brakes..

Fr0dders · 4 Jan 2007 at 11:59

West said:
which is kinda silly, as I drive and my ABS isnt functional.. and there is nout different about the way the car brakes..

i rest my case.

MrMatteh · 4 Jan 2007 at 12:15

i thought abs was specifically designed that if anything went wrong with it, it would shut itself down... from broken sensors to abnormal system voltages

on a related note, my abs started working today... damn French electrics

whitecrook · 4 Jan 2007 at 18:59

If a component of the ABS system fails it is supposed to fail safe. But if the ECU fails, or worse goes intermittently faulty, then weird things can happen. There's a few threads on frenchcarforum about this on citroens

Sam · 4 Jan 2007 at 22:03

West said:
I think if the way I did it, surley the insurance company would not know that your ABS is out of order if you take the bulb out, as there is no bulb there telling you? unless it has a computer which they can hook up to tell you?

And at that point you could tell them that there was no fault coming up on your dash? fraud I know, but what are they to know?

But Sir my ABS was fine before the crash ( must have been the impact Sir )

My Racing puma had no ABS for about 3 months, that was worse than this tho because that used to cut in and out

On the festa its just cut out all the time

Northwind · 5 Jan 2007 at 01:50

Saytan said:
surely the risk factor for an ABS car is calculated based on the fact that it has ABS

Quite possibly... But that's the company's lookout. Now, if you sign anything saying that "Yes, the ABS works fine" or "the car's not modified" and you've disabled it, you could have some bother with them. Undeclared mods are always a laugh after a crash. They'd still have to prove it was the cause of the accident though.