Will Vista impact performance?

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People testing the new V.2 Beta of Windows Vista have reported a significant increase in the speed of the OS. Some are saying that the OS was now as fast as XP after having experienced some pretty poor performance in the previous version. With the introduction of A.E.R.O. the OS will be using more system resources, or so I assume. Are we going to see major declines in the speed of our benchmarks and our games when using Vista? It will be sometime before the cross over is complete, but there will be many people eager to get a taste of what Vista delivers with Dx10 when Crisis is released Q1 2007 (currently).

Will people be crossing over to Vista with excitement or anticipation? Having read a few articles about Vista, I am a little more apprehensive about moving so quickly!!!








How about giving us "Vista Lite Gamers Edition"
 
i wont be touching vista with a barge pole untill service pack 1 comes out for it. im not having another XP **** up OS on my system.

windows xp was so insecure that when it was first released, you could punch in anyones ip address who was running it into any web browser and provided they didnt have a firewall (which a lot of people didnt back then) you would get access to their hard drives through your browser.
 
TBH Vista will always take up more resources than XP, otherwise it would be impossible to implement all the features. However these can be turened off, vis-a-vis, the Aero glass interface
 
The transition from XP to Vista will be a slow one, as the former OS is and will be very heavily used as Vista on the whole isn't a strong neccessity right now.

It will be heavy on resources, just like XP once was but we're looking at a very different beast under the hood. New API's mean that game dev's can get a lot more performance from a systems hardware then Win2k/XP ever could. Of course it'll take time for the driver vendors to get used to this.

Vista will be tuned up to the max before MS release it, but it'll require a hefty machine to run it at present - by the time it does get released that hardware will be common if it isn't already.

I'll be getting the home prem edition, as I don't game anymore on the pc - and the stuff on the other editions to me is just sheer bloat. Crysis seems to me just some fancy eye candy tech demo bundled in there to entice peeps to upgrade their gpu, while at the sametime getting quicker OS performance. Meh
 
Vista has a better kernel than XP does. It has a superior memory management design that is now similar to the way nearly all UNIX-like systems manage memory. It should be a bit faster in gaming if the system can handle it.

/Posting from Vista build 5384
 
BillytheImpaler said:
Vista has a better kernel than XP does. It has a superior memory management design that is now similar to the way nearly all UNIX-like systems manage memory. It should be a bit faster in gaming if the system can handle it.

/Posting from Vista build 5384


Thats interesting!!! will continue to research a little further. Infact I may take the plunge around my new build September October time and install it for myself
 
Im quite disappointed so far with the performance of Vista. In general, even though it hogging 5 times more ram than XP just to boot up (better than beta 1's 1.5 Gig's though) the thing I hate the most, is that the indexing system seems to kick in at the most inappropriate moments. It took my PC well over an hour to boot up and finish indexing, the hard drive thrashing badly even though it was fully defragmented.

Sure it is usable while indexing, but its quite a performance hit to any application that needs the hard drive. Even if you have enough ram, just like XP it loves to put tons of stuff into the pagefile, so having the pagefile on a separate hard drive, that doesnt get indexed may help a little. Me... well IF I get vista, I'll get one of those Gigabyte iRam things, so my swapfile can be on the ramdisk. I have a feeling that moving the swapfile to iRam will help quite a bit when the system's indexing.

Turning the indexing service off disables quite a lot of features, and at least for the moment, the beta doesnt like running with it turned off.
 
I heard in the past that Vista wont hurt gaming performance atall, Due to a 'standby' type feature, In which vistas' process hoggin features dull down allowing the games full use of the computers hardware.

If so... woo hoo!!

I for one will be changing, Because I plan on having a system that will run it nicely. Only real reason I can see for not changing is security. And its already been said in this post, Service Pack 1 for vista I am sure will be a welcomed addition to the Operating System, when the teething problems become apparent. I'll just make sure I have a nicely compatible firewall. Aslong as I have that, I cant see too many problems.
 
I don't get people who judge how good an OS is by how much memory it uses, computers have loads of memory now, you can get a gig for £70 surly a good OS should use as much memory as it can as its loads faster than the hard drive. Even if it does use more memory in order to put more features into the OS who cares? Its not called bloat its called progression. If you don't like it go back to DOS :p
 
Hamish said:
Even if it does use more memory in order to put more features into the OS who cares?

If it uses more memory then there's less for applications that need that memory to run at a passable speed (try running stuff from a hard drive at about 1000 times slower or worse)... I'd guess that's why people care... More RAM costs more money as well - never a good thing...

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locutus12 said:
windows xp was so insecure that when it was first released, you could punch in anyones ip address who was running it into any web browser and provided they didnt have a firewall (which a lot of people didnt back then) you would get access to their hard drives through your browser.
I never knew that :eek:



I ran Vista a few weeks ago and didn't find it much slower than XP and my PC is old and out of date (Athlon XP 3000+, X850 XT (AGP) and 1.5 GB of PC2700 RAM).

I was quite impressed as I had heard of it being bloatware and running slowly on all but the latest PC's, so I'm quite looking forward to it's release now.
 
CurlyWhirly said:
I never knew that :eek:



I ran Vista a few weeks ago and didn't find it much slower than XP and my PC is old and out of date (Athlon XP 3000+, X850 XT (AGP) and 1.5 GB of PC2700 RAM).

I was quite impressed as I had heard of it being bloatware and running slowly on all but the latest PC's, so I'm quite looking forward to it's release now.


The minimum spec for vista is
800MHz
512MB of system memory
Graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable
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The Aero Ready version
1GHz 32-bit or 64-bit processor
1GB of system memory
128MB of graphics memory
40GB of hard drive capacity with 15GB free space

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So on release it shouldnt really need a super computer to run. Most modern machines should be capable :)

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After reading up I can see the first vista release being quite stable and secure. As they are not starting fresh, They are improving on what they already have. And since XP is pretty secure now, I can see Vista only being better.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx

Take a look at this link, It lists all the features of Vista, Including some nice looking built in malware features. I'm hoping Vista will Eliminate the need for 3rd party protection. If they do it right this time, And have a seperate department for Spyware, Viruses, Exploits, and work to keep their built in protection as upto date as most 3rd parties. I can see Vista being great
 
Once some properly optimised drivers for Vista are available then performance in all areas will exceed XP. Vista is the first OS to have native PCI-Express support which means it can directly map the GPU RAM into the virtual memory address space. Making it also the first OS to support a 3 way paging system (page file, main memory, graphics memory). When people say "Oh Vista closes down all its bloat when you load a game so it runs fine" what they really are saying is this: When you load a game in Vista, all of your desktop textures (yes everything on the desktop is stored as a texture on your graphics card) is paged out of the graphics memory into main memory. If the memory manager decides main memory is quite low then it will actually page them out one stage further into the page file. This has then freed up a lot of the graphics and main memory for the game (or some other big processing power application). The advantage with this approach is that only "enough" is freed up to support the game. So it not only maximises the performance of the game but also other running apps - given the conditions.

Secondly is the VDDM (Vista Display Driver Model). XP was still using the display driver model as introduced by Windows 95. In short it was crap, slow and tiresome for developers. The new model hooks very tightly into the NT kernel (which by the way, DirectX 10 has very tight hooks into the kernel also) maximises performance and reducing overheads.

Now onto security... There is a common misconception going around that Vista is a "complete rewrite" of Windows (probably due to the time it has taken to get this far...) This is simply not true. Windows NT has been in development since '89 and a complete rewrite now would take Microsoft many decades. Vista, having only taken about 4-5 years so far, is no where near that mark. Yes very important parts of the OS have been redesigned for the future but this does not amount to a total rewrite. Take the networking stack, this has been a 100% rewrite. Microsoft seized the opportunity because it knew its old stack was not going to scale well for the multicore future, nor was it fully IPv6 compatible. The new stack is by design more secure, faster and more reliable - as well as having more features like better QoS. Now of course there will be bugs but seriously, who runs without a NAT router in the way these days anyway? Longer term the new stack will show its fruits.

Another new part is the audio stack. Completely redesigned. Remember when Creative used to release those audio drivers that blue screen'd your brand new XP PC? Well that can happen no more. Audio drivers are now debundled from the kernel, they are a user mode process! So when Creative mucks up their driver rollout for Vista - at least it won't blue screen your new Vista PC! Infact other than a slight pause in your audio whilst the user mode driver is restarted automatically, nothing else will happen!

I hope this gives people at least a small insight into why Vista won't suck :)
 
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Corasik said:
Im quite disappointed so far with the performance of Vista. In general, even though it hogging 5 times more ram than XP just to boot up (better than beta 1's 1.5 Gig's though)

Vista's memory management is very good hence why it will use more memory.

I'll never be sure why people have such a poor view of an OS that maximises its memory usage. Whats the point in having a lot of memory it if its never used?
 
NathanE said:
Another new part is the audio stack. Completely redesigned. Remember when Creative used to release those audio drivers that blue screen'd your brand new XP PC? Well that can happen no more. Audio drivers are now debundled from the kernel, they are a user mode process! So when Creative mucks up their driver rollout for Vista - at least it won't blue screen your new Vista PC! Infact other than a slight pause in your audio whilst the user mode driver is restarted automatically, nothing else will happen!

The point above to me is one of the most impotant. How many times have Microsoft been blamed for blue screens and instablilty when really its some stupid developer coding crap drivers.
 
JonRohan said:
The point above to me is one of the most impotant. How many times have Microsoft been blamed for blue screens and instablilty when really its some stupid developer coding crap drivers.
Very true, I bought a Philips sound card and it's drivers weren't digitally signed and I couldn't get them to load on XP as I kept getting a BSOD and they took out both my CD and DVD drives as well :confused:

I took the soundcard back and bought a Creative soundcard instead and have had no problems as this time the drivers were digitally signed.
 
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