Williams 2011 Car Launched

sunama said:
Like I said, 0-20 years ago (for me), is relevant. Stuff that happened when i wasn't even born isn't important to me.

Added to the fact that Williams were my favourite team and produced the best cars in the early - mid 90s, I am more likely to remember their exploits than the Lotus team who were busy breaking down and getting lapped.
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Yes, but that wasn't my point. I wondered why you would expect anybody on here to care about your little detailed history of Williams, when a dedicated F1 fan such as yourself still refuses to show any interest in one of the great teams of history?

Nevermind. I like this funky stripped-down Williams look. Shame the livery wil change, as the fairly blank canvas there kind of fits the bodywork.
 
pingwing said:
As generally pointed out, the first test times mean very little as they are just learning about the car and how to set it up. It's as useful to look at how many laps they have achieved and how consistent the stints are before we can start gauging the performance of the cars...
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The teams will tell you that, and to extent it's true, but they know more than they let on. Trust me, I should know. ;)

pingwing said:
That said still nice to see the new kid getting somewhere and is to an extent a pay driver
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That's basically what I was getting at.
 
Yeah I know that, but Hulk didnt really start to get good for about 10 or so races which is sort of normal for a Rookie but I was expecting a little more I guess...

Just holding out some decent testing form will help
 
sunama said:
What about that pole lap he did...was it Brazil?

That was awe inspiring. The margin of advantage he had over the 2nd placed car was prodigious.
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My point was he didnt get going till the second half the season and only that pole he started to look like he really deserved the hype about his talent...

It was a very good pole lap, a lot of confidence at a point where no one else could quite do the same, but it was a bit of a one off, given a repeat quali situation I wouldn't be surprised if someone else had an equally amazing run.

Oh and annoyingly there's no points for pole (id advocate a point for pole just to make it a little more tense) his 8th place was better than Ruben that day but over the season he didn't get as many outstanding results, a few Hungary and Italy (though was a little rough round the edges at Monza)
 
Wasn't that pole only because he got a good lap in on primes/options before it started raining? Or am I totally making that up in my head, I'm sure there was good reason for it not just random amazingness.
 
If memory serves me right it was a drying track and conditions were very marginal for dry tyres. I think he was one of the 1st to opt for drys, banged in the fastest time. People tried doing the same but weren't able to find the same levels of grip. His 2nd fastest lap was already enough for pole and then he did one even faster that was well over a second clear of everyone else iirc. That's how I remember it at least, I was like wtf at the time!

That could all of course be wrong though as I haven't looked it up or seen the footage again since :p
 
The pole lap was pure luck based on rapidly changing conditions. What place did he finish in the race? I remember him falling back through the field pretty quick (not that anyone expected anything different).
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The pole lap was pure luck based on rapidly changing conditions. What place did he finish in the race? I remember him falling back through the field pretty quick (not that anyone expected anything different).
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Not just luck, also due to the Williams being a bit harder on tyres, so it got them up to optimum temperature quicker and meant they could keep them there for longer in the slightly damp conditions.
 
When Hulkenberg did his pole lap, he was circulating around the track at exactly the same time as the other (leading) cars. There wasn't much luck involved. It was a genuinely fast time on a track which was changing.

On a wet/damp track, the brave/courageous drivers are those that are rewarded. The car advantage (of RBR) is minimised during wet races. This is why we saw RBR look ordinary in wet races, as their drivers were poor compared to the likes of Hamilton/Alonso/Button. Of course, on a dry track (which these cars are designed for), the RBR could tear everyone else apart.

In the race, the track was dry (IIRC) and of course, the car superiority of the RBR took over and tore the Williams apart.

I think people are forgetting just how much of an advantage RBR had.

Hulk's pole lap was genuinely brilliant.
 
Technically what you have highlighted is Hulk did the best with the car best suited to the conditions, due to the failings of the design in dry conditions. It was a very very good pole run (about 6 or so mins of being the fastest man on the track) but outside of that he faulted a little, a couple of good races and a few good battles are hardly something rave about when he should be pushing the top ten/giving his very established team mate a push (yeah Rubens is getting better with age opposed to worse like most drivers but its still a good criteria when looking at rookies in the first season).

Anyway its not just his last season that lost him the seat, the money needed by Williams out did his potential as a driver which on the one hand is sad as it doesnt say much for breaking into F1, but at the same time means they dont think he'll make the money through points scored... Glad he's reserve at Force India though at least, mean's no ones a one season driver as such
 
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