Windows 10 enterprise speed?

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 09:44

Windows 10 enterprise speed & forced updates

Ok pretty simple really. With MS's moronic decision to force updates on people, and with the only way to properly stop this being to get the Enterprise edition, I am trying to work out whether to go for Enterprise via work, or just go for Home, or pro. I don't believe I need any of the features specific to Pro or Enterprise but as I said, I am NOT putting up with MS screwing up my pc whenever they feel like it so it will be Enterprise unless......

The main question for me is whether all the additional stuff that comes with Enterprise vs Home is going to slow it down at all (I use this pc for gaming mostly and some work)?

And whether there would be any other reason NOT to get enterprise vs home or pro that I have not considered?

Skeeter · 16 Aug 2015 at 09:49

Doesn't 'fully off' only work with a WSUS connected domain?

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 16:07

Don't know. If that is the case and I won't then be able to get updates at all then that pretty much scuppers that idea. I may end up staying with win7 until I have no choice, I will not let M$ control my pc or anything on it, particularly when they are too incompetent to get it right and have openly stated that all home users are basically beta testers for the updates.

Skeeter · 16 Aug 2015 at 16:16

No they haven't? Preview users are the beta testers. Updates will have been through millions of people/device before hitting any standard users, home, business or otherwise.

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 17:00

They have, its been in official statements effectively saying so.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-about-windows-10-consumers-will-test-it.html

From M$ themselves... "By putting devices on the Current branch for Business, enterprises will be able to receive feature updates after their quality and application compatibility has been assessed in the consumer market".

It has already caused several different problems from issues with Nvidia graphics cards making the pc unusable to unrecoverable boot loops due to bad updates that then instantly reinstall themselves after being removed since you cannot block or prevent the installations. This sort of thing has been commonplace for years with windows update, at least before we had the choice not to have our pc's screwed over without having any control over it.

You must have been living in a cave for 10 years to think "Updates will have been through millions of people/device before hitting any standard users, home, business or otherwise." means anything. M$ are very well known for screwing up the updates quite regularly.

From what I read pro and enterprise come with Windows Update for Business so I am not sure it needs a domain, it doesn't sound like it does but I am increasingly inclined to just keep win7 and then ditch it for linux when it is no longer usable, unless these idiots backtrack and give us back control of our own computers, or someone comes up with a proper hack enabling us to have the old functionality of "notify me of updates but I will choose when/if to download and install them".

Skeeter · 16 Aug 2015 at 17:20

Well the cave comment means squat considering the Preview program running for a currently released OS has been in existence for precisely 18 days...

Preview users get updates first, then once they are confirmed ok they are released to the public Current branch, and then later to the Business branch. Microsoft are putting a lot of effort into ensuring Updates are as solid as possible once they hit general release.

A Windows 10 update will have been tested far more extensively once it hits you than any prior Windows Update ever, so basing your opinion on the past is a bit unfair.

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 17:47

I have no idea what you mean by preview programme, what I do know is updates have already been screwing up peoples pc's.....and its only been out 18 days.

I don't think basing anything on the past is unfair until proven otherwise, in fact MS own statements from my previous post kinda prove otherwise, if the stuff was properly tested and 100% guaranteed to work flawlessly, they wouldn't be saying that consumers will have tested it before companies get it!

Why should I put my PC, which I also use for work, at the mercy of a company that has proven time and time again that they cannot get it right? There are literally millions of combinations of hardware out there running an infinite combination of software, a few preview testers are not going to weed out the issues any more than in the past. I am quite happy to let a few million other users test it out properly before I CHOOSE to install it, but I will NOT have it forced on me the second it is released so that I can test it for the business users!

More to the point, the PC is mine and I shall maintain, update and fiddle with it as and when it is convenient for me to do so, not when MS tells me to do so.

Mattus · 16 Aug 2015 at 17:52

Ewok said:
From M$ themselves... "By putting devices on the Current branch for Business, enterprises will be able to receive feature updates after their quality and application compatibility has been assessed in the consumer market".

I get that now consumers can't opt out if they want to - but the vast majority of home users, who didn't previously opt out, have effectively been beta testers for businesses for years and years. Updates are released automatically to home users but enterprises will defer installing them until they're sure not to cause any problems. That's hardly a new idea for Win10.

Other OSes do similar things, eg: Ubuntu has a "long-term support" version targeted at enterprises, whilst a more bleeding-edge version is directed at consumers.

Also, it's quite hard to take you seriously because you keep saying "M$". What point are you trying to make? Do you think MS is more profit-driven than any of the other tech companies or something?

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 17:59

Mattus said:
I get that now consumers can't opt out if they want to - but the vast majority of home users, who didn't previously opt out, have effectively been beta testers for businesses for years and years. Updates are released automatically to home users but enterprises will defer installing them until they're sure not to cause any problems. That's hardly a new idea for Win10.

You obviously don't get that consumers can't opt out if they want to because that is the ENTIRE point and you've brushed it aside. I am not the vast majority of home users and neither are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of others. I have no problem having a default setting of install as soon as available which was the case previously. All M$ (ooh look a dollar sign) has managed to do is pee off every single one of those non "vast majority" of users.

Now back on topic if you please.....

Skeeter · 16 Aug 2015 at 18:03

Ewok said:
I have no idea what you mean by preview programme

It's quite a key part of Microsoft's strategy regarding Windows Updates for Windows 10, and therefore quite key to your argument, so perhaps you should read up on it?

There is a pool of millions of testers within the consumer market (you can't join the Preview program with Enterprise) who, in exchange for a free version of Windows 10, will test all Windows Updates before they are released to any standard public channel, both consumer and business. This is something no previous version of Windows has had.

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 18:35

Skeeter said:
It's quite a key part of Microsoft's strategy regarding Windows Updates for Windows 10, and therefore quite key to your argument, so perhaps you should read up on it?

There is a pool of millions of testers within the consumer market (you can't join the Preview program with Enterprise) who, in exchange for a free version of Windows 10, will test all Windows Updates before they are released to any standard public channel, both consumer and business. This is something no previous version of Windows has had.

But what about all the issues that have already come to light with the nvidia issue and the other that caused non stop bootloops, have these been only these preview users?

Either way it boils down to not having control over my own computer, and I'm not having it. If using Enterprise to avoid that is viable then that is what I will do, if not then I will not be moving from win7, at least until someone hacks their way around the update restrictions.

james.miller · 16 Aug 2015 at 18:45

Ewok said:
But what about all the issues that have already come to light with the nvidia issue and the other that caused non stop bootloops, have these been only these preview users?

Bootloops havent been much of an issue. i get the impression that a few people are shouting pretty loud about it on forums. gpu drivers are an issue, however they will only remain an issue until MS fix the ability to stop windows update downloading device drivers - the option is there as it was in 8/7, but it doesnt work. I dont know when they'll fix it (ive been complaining about it since the early betas) but when they do the problem will disappear completely.

Ploppy2k3 · 16 Aug 2015 at 18:48

This same discussion has been raging ever since MS announced the "forded" updates.

Its quite a gamble for MS to go down this SAAS route. Only time will tell if it works or not and whether the consumer accepts the difference between owning an OS outright vs the SAAS model that MS has adopted with Win10.

The obvious benefit of this though is all machines will be the same making it easier for dev and the like. The downside it also creates a massive security risk as if you breach on, you breach em all.

The enterprise/WSUS route just isnt viable for home use so its going to be a cleverly edited host files or 3rd party apps to block.

Time and patience will tell all..........

Ewok · 16 Aug 2015 at 19:03

I see. Looks like I will just have to wait and see if they backtrack or a workaround comes out that gives us a choice if enterprise is not viable.