Windows Vista, the best thing since sliced bread?

thephantom114 · 18 Feb 2006 at 19:45

Hey,

I just though everyone would want to look at this article about windows vista. quite informative:
http://tinyurl.com/bptbb

Links to yahoo news

benjo plz. · 18 Feb 2006 at 19:48

I'll stick with sliced bread tbh

Etaqua · 18 Feb 2006 at 19:56

Windows Vista will probably send Apple a whole load of people who don't want the DRM.

It's tempting me to switch to a Mac when I buy next time...

lemonkettaz · 18 Feb 2006 at 19:59

errrrrrrrrrr

no. vista equals.. alienation of a lot of pc gamers

aaazza · 18 Feb 2006 at 20:02

Can't wait to turn off/disable all the unnecessary rubbish that it comes bundled with, can't stand my OS not to be very fast and classic looking. (If I get Vista).

aaazza

Ricochet J · 18 Feb 2006 at 20:14

I'm sure Vista will be a welcoming change.
Although these features do sound awfully familiar. Mac OSX

But its okay for a competitor to take existing features and modify it for thier advantage. If I was Bill, I would have anyway.
However i'm still looking forward to the new graphics suite Vista is to supplied with.
As for the name, I still prefer Longhorn

But yeh, go baby go!

How much will this be then in terms of price when it is released?

Kerplunk · 18 Feb 2006 at 20:32

eXSBass said:
I'm sure Vista will be a welcoming change.
Although these features do sound awfully familiar. Mac OSX But its okay for a competitor to take existing features and modify it for thier advantage. If I was Bill, I would have anyway.
However i'm still looking forward to the new graphics suite Vista is to supplied with.
As for the name, I still prefer Longhorn

But yeh, go baby go!

How much will this be then in terms of price when it is released?

One can only speculate on the extortinate cost of M$ Vi$ta

NathanE · 18 Feb 2006 at 20:38

lemonkettaz said:
errrrrrrrrrr

no. vista equals.. alienation of a lot of pc gamers

Why do you say that?

Etaqua said:
Windows Vista will probably send Apple a whole load of people who don't want the DRM

Why? Apple's iTunes uses DRM. And if Apple's next OS wants to play high definition content (which I'm sure it will) then they will have to implement DRM as well - otherwise they won't be granted a license. Simple as that really.

eXSBass said:
Although these features do sound awfully familiar. Mac OSX

You realise most of the new technology/functionality in Vista predates the Mac OSX operating system entirely? It's just that Apple, with its lower overheads, can bring a product to market far quicker than Microsoft can. I can remember back in 1999 when Microsoft licensed a book load of SGI (Silicon Graphics) intellectual property and that technology is now present in WPF (Avalon.) Apple's "Quartz" technology which is similar to WPF is a good framework however it is still a "work in progress" per se. Where WPF is hardware accelerated, Quartz is not. There are rumours that OSX "Leopard" (to be released around the same time as Vista) will have improved GPU offloading capabilities - but still I suspect it will be nowhere near the same extent as WPF.

Kerplunk said:
One can only speculate on the extortinate cost of M$ Vi$ta

Yup and if history is anything to go by (it usually is) you'll be able to pick up a copy of Vista for well under £80. Sure it won't be the all-singing-all-dancing edition but it will be Vista.

tmileson · 18 Feb 2006 at 21:08

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

How many times are people going to start the same old "Vista is ebil because of DRM/PRICE/SPEED/THE WEATHER" posts

Please for all that's holy read the threads that have gone through DRM etc umpteen times already usualy with Nathan explaining the same thing over and over. Yes, it has DRM, no it's not Microsofts idea, yes it allows you to play protected content, no it won't stop you playing games, yes DRM is being implemented by the movies/record/content industry, no it won't make your left leg fall off, yes if you want to use that content you, will have to have a OS that supports DRM, no switching to apple/linux/dos3.31 won't change anything, yes MS could leave DRM out and then that content wouldn't be available to you....

I dispair of the next supposedly "well informed person" who will postulate that Vista will alienate gamers / girls / one legged lesbians because it's too fast / too slow / too secure / not secure enough / whatever bizarre theory they have that must be true "coz I read it on a web site somewhere"

Jeez, read the threads that point to the real facts and have a sensible discussion just for a change

sfx · 18 Feb 2006 at 21:09

Another thread where nobody has a clue.

sfx

Atomic · 18 Feb 2006 at 21:11

NathanE said:
Why do you say that?

Any game or software needed DirectX10 will, lets face it, need Windows Vista.

NathanE said:
Why? Apple's iTunes uses DRM. And if Apple's next OS wants to play high definition content (which I'm sure it will) then they will have to implement DRM as well - otherwise they won't be granted a license. Simple as that really.

What happenes if HD content comes through games. What if games are created in HD or have movie sequences that are HD...does that mean you have to have Vista for that?

Then again who the hell is going to want next gen DVD discs when for the average joe DVD's are perfectly suited for them.

NathanE said:
Yup and if history is anything to go by (it usually is) you'll be able to pick up a copy of Vista for well under £80. Sure it won't be the all-singing-all-dancing edition but it will be Vista.

...but if you change your mobo, wont you need a new license?

NathanE · 18 Feb 2006 at 21:20

To be honest, considering Apple has its fingers in more "media" pies than Microsoft (think iTunes and Disney) they actually have more incentive than anyone to implement the "evil" DRM.

Microsoft barely has its hand in any media pies, therefore it is only just doing enough to keep the RIAA/MPAA happy and enough to get its HD license. Even in December'05 they were publically cheering for HD DVD over Bluray. Because as everybody knows, HD DVD has less DRM than Bluray. Microsoft wants its "Media Center" product to be the forefront of every home cinema setup in the future - widespread or overzealous usage of DRM is a major hindrance to that effort. The idea of a Media Center is to be the household's central storage base of media content - which can be replayed elsewhere in the house through say an Xbox 360. If the media is DRM protected then the chances are slim of that happening on anything but the monitor that is directly connected to the Media Center.

Atomic said:
Any game or software needed DirectX10 will, lets face it, need Windows Vista.

As I was explaining in another thread the other day, that is a false rumour. Current games will work just fine on Vista. DX10 is largely unchanged from DX9, therefore I'd expect new games to support XP DX9 systems just fine. Certainly do not expect game developers to drop support of XP the moment Vista ships.

Atomic said:
What happenes if HD content comes through games. What if games are created in HD or have movie sequences that are HD...does that mean you have to have Vista for that?

Then again who the hell is going to want next gen DVD discs when for the average joe DVD's are perfectly suited for them.

This doesn't really make much sense, at all. Games and DRM are totally unrelated. I'd be surprised if a game _ever_ has _any_ type of DRM.

There is no DRM standard for games yet so the chances of this happening is still a good decade away. I'm not really sure what is worth protecting though. It's just a game. Again, I think you could be getting DRM confused as being an anti-piracy measure - it is not.

Atomic said:
...but if you change your mobo, wont you need a new license?

If you have bought the PC from an OEM, yes. Because the Windows license is tied to that motherboard. If however you bought your OEM copy seperately (e.g. with a keyboard and mouse) then it is tied to those components. Of course if you buy a retail edition with a fancy box then it isn't inextricably tied to any computer or peripheral.

zetec452 · 18 Feb 2006 at 21:36

tmileson said:
"well informed person" who will postualte that Vista will alienate gamers / girls / one legged lesbians because it's too fast / too slow / too secure / not secure enough / whatever bizarre theory they have that must be true "coz I read it on a web site somewhere"

Dude, one of the best paragraphs i've ever read.

. esspecially the one legged lesbians bit.

lordedmond · 19 Feb 2006 at 08:31

all these comments about vista where made when xp was about to hit the shelves, stick to 98 do not want that bloated heap of rubbish was the cry

now we have it again

you do not have to buy it stick with what you have its your call no one is forcing you to do it

rant mode off

Slam62 · 19 Feb 2006 at 10:18

calm down everyone, its just an operating system, maybe an unnessecary one but heh just an os. If you dont use it the world wont end (yet) if you do use it you wont be much better of straight away. Wait till bf3 needs it then lots of peeps will get it.

toString · 23 Feb 2006 at 14:03

lordedmond said:
all these comments about vista where made when xp was about to hit the shelves, stick to 98 do not want that bloated heap of rubbish was the cry

now we have it again

you do not have to buy it stick with what you have its your call no one is forcing you to do it

rant mode off

Well said!

"LOL i will wait until 2010 when sp2 is out!! LOL! I'm so pro, I use win2k!"

Mr Spoon · 23 Feb 2006 at 14:20

Windows Vista

just read that article, it was written by a complete newbie. I hate the sound of Windows Vista. Its designed by newbies for newbies.

Otacon · 23 Feb 2006 at 14:30

Mr Spoon said:
just read that article, it was written by a complete newbie. I hate the sound of Windows Vista. Its designed by newbies for newbies.

This post brought to you by, a noob.

Oh the irony.

barnettgs · 23 Feb 2006 at 14:55

Not convinced at all...

Righteous eye candy: For the first time, Microsoft is building high-end graphics effects into Windows..........Now you can see what's going on behind the scenes, albeit at a cost: You need powerful graphics hardware and a robust system to manage all the effects.

Need a 'powerful' graphic to see the 'effects'?...

Many macs such as mini mac or emac has low-end graphic card yet still showing special effects.

Also my work's 2 and half years old mac shows special effects which left me stunned when I first powered it up, that was with geforce 5200 card and 256mb system ram!

Watch that hourglass: Vista is a power hog.

Sorry, I think I have seen enough.

NathanE · 23 Feb 2006 at 15:21

barnettgs said:
Not convinced at all...

Need a 'powerful' graphic to see the 'effects'?...

Many macs such as mini mac or emac has low-end graphic card yet still showing special effects.

Also my work's 2 and half years old mac shows special effects which left me stunned when I first powered it up, that was with geforce 5200 card and 256mb system ram!

Sorry, I think I have seen enough.

Yes but if you read the whole paragraph...

Watch that hourglass: Vista is a power hog. Unless you have a top-end PC with high-end graphics hardware, for instance, you won't see one of the coolest parts of the new OS--the Aero Glass interface. Microsoft did the smart thing by offering Aero Basic and Windows Classic looks as well, which will let older and slower PCs run Vista. It just won't look as pretty.

You'll be left thinking "so what exactly was his point about it being a power hog then?"

Terrible article.

People love reading biased critique about Microsoft though so the media are simply supplying for that demand.