Wiring of a two way light fitting..

[mrbios]

Hopefully there's some DIY savvy or leccys here that can help me

Just had my missus dad here taking his old light fittings out and putting in the old ones as he rents this house out to us and wanted his ones back, not a problem except he's forgotten how to wire this light fitting back up again.

Looking at this, going by the internet diagrams my only thought is that the black wire should be wired into the neutral and not the live but obviously i don't want to do anything without someone telling me I'm right or wrong so please take a look at the picture below and tell me where this is wired wrong:

It's possible the red cables are in the wrong place too as he just put them back in there to tuck them away from the time being.

Help

 

[mrbios]

Apparently in old wiring (to be honest i never wired anything in the "old" style) black is neutral, which is why i assume that he put the neutral in the wrong place here.... don't know where the reds should go though, they've both in the "loop" section at the moment

 

[mrbios]

You need to get a multimeter to be honest so you can work out which one the switched live is. Also you have nothing connected to the neutral.

Have a look here:
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/diy/electrics/light_fitting/ceiling_rose_wiring.htm

The 3rd image down in that link looks exactly what i'm after......except i'm missing one of the black wires, i have 2 reds, and only one black o_O

EDIT: "or the lights could have been wired with the neutral wire in the switch" does that sound likely in that case?..... if that's the case then it's actually wired correctly
EDIT2: ah or it's the bottom one, in which case i should be able to tell by taking the two switch fittings off and seeing what cables are connected yes?

 

[mrbios]

Even more confused now, just had a look behind the two switches and i've got 3 red cables in to one and 2 red + 1 black on the other.

 

[mrbios]

there should be six wires coming from the ceiling, and I can only see five and the there's no neutral return from the bluewire? It could be wired neutrals to the switch. The black isn't necessarily a neutral it could be a switch live normally indicated by tape or sleeving but not in this case.

If there is 3 red's into one it could be wired so theres a live and the others feed other light circuits in the house. is there two lights on that circuit or just the one ceiling rose?

Just the one cieling rose, my thoughts follow the same pattern in that there should have been 6 wires, which is what has me so damn confused

Annoying thing is my missus dad took the ceiling rose that he took out away without comparing the way that was wired to the one we're putting up....would have helped to have seen how it was done previously.

 

[mrbios]

Thanks for the help chaps Will bring a multimeter home from work tomorrow to get it sorted.

No doubt i'll be back in here when i fail