Would a better amp help?

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I listen to a lot of music and haven't had a decent computer that really makes the most of the speakers i have until recently, the onboard sound makes it sound so much better!

What i've got:

Speakers - Cerwin Vega CT165
Subwoofer - Bose autimass system thing, I can't find the matching cube speakers for this hence the floor standing ones.
Amp - Denon PMA-250 II

I don't know the quality of the speakers comparing to stuff about these days but they're the best I've heard for general music listening of all types.

Would i benefit from having a better amp? or getting different speakers?

I did post this in the sound city part but was told you guys would be better to speak too! :P
 
Out of all your system I'd say that the amp is the strongest/best of the three components. Next would be the CV CT-165s a short nose in front of the Bose bass box.

So, what's good.....

Your Denon amp while rated at 25W/ch will actually deliver quite a lot of power thanks to a beefy transformer and decent capacitors. Put some efficient speakers on the end of them and you'd find that the system would go quite loud and still sound sweet and punchy.

The CT-a65s have some scope for improvement


What's no so good.....

If the amp is struggling then there's a possibility that the big capacitors are buggered. I'd expect one channel to be quieter than the other though as a first sign.

The CT-165's were a budget design. The cabinets are thin, light weight and poorly braced. The woofers have a decent size magnet but the metal framework (the basket) is thin and prone to warping. That affects how well the drivers seal on to the cabinets and the alignment accuracy of the speaker cones. The speakers themselves are a 4 Ohm design.

The Bose bass box (I hate to call it a sub) is really designed to be used with the cubes rather than some other speakers. At the moment you wire from the amp to the bass box, and then from there to the CT-165s, right? So the bass box is acting like a filter (a crossover) and keeping some of the sound signal for itself, then sending the rest to what it thinks is the Bose cubes. They don't handle much bass at all. The sub is designed to work with the cubes and send only the frequencies that the cubes can accept. The CT-165s can handle a bigger audio range, but the bass box can't be adjusted to accomodate them.


What to do....

Long story short, a better pair of floor standing speakers and ditch the Bose bass box.

There's plenty of classic floor standers from Mission, Ruark (very good spkrs and yet under valued), Monitor Audio, B&W, Castle, KEF, Maudant Short, Tannoy. These are all good British makes.

If you're not too fussy about finish then there's a pair of Monitor Audio Monitor 14 speakers on Ebay right now at an insanely low £21.00 with just 19 hours to go.


Short-term measures....

A little TLC with the CT-165s probably wouldn't go amiss. Two things to try are 1) adding some ballast to the bottom of the speaker, and 2) making sure the woofer frames are flat and securely screwed to the cabinet.

Ballast means weight. In this case, some kiln dried sand (no moisture) then bagged up so it doesn't spill and then inserted in to the space at the bottom of each cabinet. You have to remove the bass driver to do this, but that's okay because you're going to check out the shape and then screw it back tight anyway.

Adding ballast will help keep the speaker stable and allow it a better chance to produce crisper bass. A couple of kilos of ballast in the base of each speaker should help.

At this stage I'd try wiring the amp direct to the 165s.
 
Sorry to bring this thread up, I was reading through the home cinema thread and remembered i posted but don't remember a reply so i thought i'd check it out.

Thank you for your reply and i understand it's all pretty old now and i don't really have the space for the floor standing speakers. Or the amp tbh, it's pretty big. I am faaar to lazy to be taking them apart adding a ballast and that sort of stuff. So i would like to upgrade it, say a budget of £150.

Some nice monitors and an amp to drive them? I done A Level Music at school and the speakers we had in the studio sounded really good and iirc they were connected directly to a mac? I am probably wrong as there was a big mixer board they were probably connected to. I don't really want a 2.1 system as i don't want to find a home for the subwoofer after hearing what some semi decent speakers sound like without one i would like to stay without.

What would you recommend? I know it's hard to recommend speakers as they all sound different to different people so as a rough guide, i don't have a car yet so i am not able to really travel and we don't have any decent music shops around here.
 
The speakers you had in your music classroom were amost likely active monitors. 'Active' means that they had an amplifier built in (a mini version of your Denon, if you like) and 'monitors' means they're designed to sound correct when you are sat the other side of a table or mixing desk i.e. Much closer than you'd normally expect to sit from conventional Hi-Fi speakers.

You already have an amplifier - the Denon - so your best option would be to buy passive monitor speakers to go with the amp. Concentrating the funds in to just speakers will be better than buying active monitors where the £150 has to pay for speaker cabinets, drivers and amplification all in a pair of boxes.

Have a look online at used smonitor peakers. Yamaha springs to mind; the NSM range.
 
Okay thanks. Had a quick search on the bay and some interesting PA speakers come up, don't think I'd want them on my desk :p

I'll have a look about, thanks for your help :)

Edit:

Just had a quick Google and I don't have a clue what any of it means tbh, would you mind finding me a few? Or maybe best to post in the speakers section?
 
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PA speakers are the entire opposite of what you're looking for. There are PA stage monitor speakers; these are the sort that you see infront of musicians as they play on stage so they can hear themselves, but that doesn't make them suitable for your purposes. You want desktop/studio monitor speakers, not PA speakers or PA monitors.

Here's some PMCs. Proper Yamaha NS10M/NS100M/NS1000M are going to be way over your budget unless you drop extremely lucky or find a tatty pair that work okay. There are variants using similar model names within the Yamaha range. Don't be fooled in to believing these are the same but cheaper. On the whole Yamaha NS-P, NS-C, NS10MM and similar are just Hi-Fi speakers trading off the reflected glory from the studio monitor range.

Though not strictly a true studio monitor speaker, the ProAc Tablette speakers might fit your needs quite well.

KEFs might work well too. This because of their dual concentric driver technology which means they have a wide sweet spot so will focus better at short distances than conventional tweer/woofer designs. Here's some Q1's. They're nice speakers.
 
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