Would like to use OSX in a VMWare machine

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I have found a few articles on the net about getting OSX 10 running in VMWare on an XP box,

Can someone tell me if all works well?
I'm trying to get into alternate OS's such as linux etc to test on my network.

What is the latest version that works? any good tutorials?
 
It works, but is as fast as a stampede of tortoises through marmite. Mainly due do the lack of native graphics driver for VMware (it has to use VESA 2.0, which is even slower than VESA 3.0, of which VMware can accellerate some basic blitting operations). No doubt by the time I've uttered this response, someone has already written a VMware graphics driver for it.
 
What you're talking about is illegal.. so I doubt this thread will last long.

If you want to use OSX, just buy a bloody Mac!
 
OllyM said:
What you're talking about is illegal.. so I doubt this thread will last long.
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Is it? I'm pretty sure that that's why VMware exists. With virtual machines one can test applications in a variety of environments without having to be constantly performing fresh installations and restorations of hardware and software configurations.
 
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VMware isn't illegal at all, but running OSX inside it is. Firstly, you can't buy a copy of OSX for Intel, and even if you did, the licence agreement forbids you from using it on anything but Apple hardware.
 
Though I haven't read the license myself, I think it's safe to say that you could go out, buy a boxed copy of OS X Tiger, and install it on whatever hardware you like without Apple's lawyers swooping in in search of blood.

Maybe it's just me...
 
But you can't... the only boxed copy of OSX currently for sale is for PowerPC.

I would look through the licence agreement and find the correct bit, but it's 3am and I should be off to bed.
 
OllyM said:
But you can't... the only boxed copy of OSX currently for sale is for PowerPC.
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VMware doesn't care. That's why it exists. That's what it does. It creates a virtual PowerPC system for you to use if you tell it to do so. If you want to create a 486 running MS DOS 6.0, it can do that too. If you want to test something in Solaris 9, it can make an UltraSPARC station for you to use. It all runs slower than native becasue it has to do dynamic decompilation and that sort of thing but, for the most part, it does work.
 
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not condoning or condemming but im agreeing with olly
osx was never intended to be released to the public to run on x86 machines apple forbids this the copy that floats about for download is a leaked version that came from a copy given to developers to test it running on an x86 cpu.

and as far as im aware the machines it ran on had some sort of apple hardware / locking system which was cracked.

which makes it..... yep you gessed it illegal!

+ where can you buy a copy that runs on x86?.....
 
AFAIK VMWare is a virtualisation package, it will only emulate the architecture it runs on. Therefore its not possible to run PowerPC OS X inside VMWare. And its not possible to buy a copy of x86 OS X and install it into VMWare as there is no boxed copy available.

I don't believe a EULA has been tested in UK courts, but in this case that argument is irrelevant. The only way you could install OS X into VMWare is in an illegal manner, therefore we can't discuss it on these forums.
 
E1mo said:
AFAIK VMWare is a virtualisation package, it will only emulate the architecture it runs on. Therefore its not possible to run PowerPC OS X inside VMWare. And its not possible to buy a copy of x86 OS X and install it into VMWare as there is no boxed copy available.
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Yep, you're absolutely right.

VMWare can't emulate PowerPC. There was a project called PearPC that did this, but it was exceedingly slow.

The only copy of OSX you can run on x86 is as you say an illegally leaked developer copy. I'm still hoping that they catch the ******* that did leak it in the first place.
 
OllyM said:
Yep, you're absolutely right.

VMWare can't emulate PowerPC. There was a project called PearPC that did this, but it was exceedingly slow.

The only copy of OSX you can run on x86 is as you say an illegally leaked developer copy. I'm still hoping that they catch the ******* that did leak it in the first place.
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Why? All OS X's under the hood stuff (GNU mach kernel, Darwin sitting on top of this) is GPL, and the Net-BSD toolkit that sits on top of this is almost "free" software, although not covered by the GPL itself. Statements like this just make you sound like a rabid Mac advocate :)

p.s. now that bootcamp looks like it will make it possible to dual-boot a Mac with Windows XP, doesnt a stance like this seem rather hypocritical? :)
 
M0KUJ1N said:
p.s. now that bootcamp looks like it will make it possible to dual-boot a Mac with Windows XP, doesnt a stance like this seem rather hypocritical? :)
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No, not really. XP has always been sold as an OS that'll run on most x86 hardware.
 
Why? All OS X's under the hood stuff (GNU mach kernel, Darwin sitting on top of this) is GPL, and the Net-BSD toolkit that sits on top of this is almost "free" software, although not covered by the GPL itself. Statements like this just make you sound like a rabid Mac advocate
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You can download this from www.opendarwin.org

The OS X interface and applications are all closed source. You cannot redistribute them without breaking copyright laws. Therefore OllyM's original statement is 100% correct; the only copy of OS X you can run on a vanilla (eg. non Apple bought) system is an illegal one.
 
Alright OllyM, I acquiesce. I did indeed misunderstand the capabilities of VMware and I now know that you were right. Sorry for causing this mess. :o

So I guess the correct response for the OP is that it's both impossible and illegal?
 
Can't for the life of me remember where I saw it, but I read a blog yesterday written by someone at vmware which basically said there were working on supporting osx.
 
E1mo said:
You can download this from www.opendarwin.org

The OS X interface and applications are all closed source. You cannot redistribute them without breaking copyright laws. Therefore OllyM's original statement is 100% correct; the only copy of OS X you can run on a vanilla (eg. non Apple bought) system is an illegal one.
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I didn't say OllyM was incorrect, I just stated that Apple's stance on running OS X on non-Apple hardware is hypocritical given the origins of the foundations of the operating system ;)
 
Thanks for the advice, i will stay well clear in that case, i thought that this was something that was going to be legal.....

My mistake.....

May be worth leaving the thread open for other people to realise.
 
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