WoW-Hunter v Rogue

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Hi all. As some of you know who play this and due to my WoW post`s. I have a Hunter with Pet. My mate from work has a Rogue and wants to duel with me as soon as I get around his lvl. He is 46 and I am 38 atm.

Now the big question..

Can I beat him?

Atm I have put all my TP in BM but have enough gold to re-spec if needed. What would the best spec be at that lvl to comabt a Rogue? Would I need a certain pet at all? Do I need to use my pet?

What tactics should I use?

Hes all mouth and love to see him moan and make excuses up the next day at work.:D

All tips and help very welcome.
 
70 hunter and rogue my self.... as the hunter, BM is best i think, i can drop rogues in seconds if i start with the upper hand, this is possibly by setting down freeze trap as often as possible and stay within it, once he is frozen, leg it back and set your pet upon him whilst using beastial wrath and intimidation, once these 2 have been done, conc shoot him, slowing him, fire arcane shot, then multi shot, then lay a trap again so by the time he gets to you, he will be re frozen, repeat, should only take 2 runs at most. DO NOT get up close and personal, wing clip if need be.

simple.

BUT, if he manages to garrote from stealth or stun you from stealth, your screwed..... unless you get that freeze trap down in time to leg it off and pound him with the above tactic, gl.

ags
 
BM is not very good for leveling and respecing at your level is a waste, btw at this level differance the hunter will beat the rogue hands down if played right, takes time to learn to rogue in pvp situations but hunters can just kite you around.

btw if you are the rogue and the hunter sits on his flare with a trap undernearth it, you have technically won because their is nothing you can do except for get caught and be kited.
 
Ah but those are for 70 hunters.. I would most likely be around 45-48 mark by the time we meet up to duel.

You got any blue prints on a good sepc as a 40ish hunter?
 
Sinny said:
BM is not very good for leveling and respecing at your level is a waste, btw at this level differance the hunter will beat the rogue hands down if played right, takes time to learn to rogue in pvp situations but hunters can just kite you around.

btw if you are the rogue and the hunter sits on his flare with a trap undernearth it, you have technically won because their is nothing you can do except for get caught and be kited.
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I would only re-spec for the duel.. Then go back to what I was using or atleast look out for a good lvling spec..

My mates spec here
Mine here
 
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You should be able to beat him really, rogue vs hunter is pretty simple for the hunter. Give it a few goes at first with your trap down (try to wear high stamina gear instead of too much agi) it really is just a case of:

trap them
then put on a hunters mark (so they cannot stealth)
back off a bit then set your pet to attack with bestial wrath
place a new trap if its off cooldown
Shoot him as much as you can whilst he will sprint towards you (dont use serpent sting if you placed a trap)
he'll run in to your trap and with any luck be under 50% hp before you've taken a scratch
back off
this time just send in the pet and hit him until dead

Make sure you have aspect of the monkey on, the more of his attacks you dodge the longer you'll survive. If he stuns you and looks like you're gonna be in trouble, thats when you use intimidation from your pet, it should give you enough time (3 secs) to come out of his stun and wing clip him to back off. All the while he's still being butchered by your pet.

Pet stuff, cats are a common favourite but you might like to get a boar for the intercept stun, think intimidate x2. Now im not too up on what boars have ability wise as ive not played hunter since way before BC came out but you should be able to get bite and another focus using attack, either way just make sure you have those on autocast and do NOT have growl ;)

to support this id suggest the following talents

Can a person playing a hunter currently correct me on any fundamentals please :) ** edit - BM spec is awesome for levelling **

** Edit 2 - Just looked at your equipment, drop the spirit stuff right now, seriously just replace it with plain +stam gear until you can find stam/agi, damn **
 
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Back when I was playing Pre-TBC (lvl60) I had a Hunter, everysingle Rogue I came across in open world PVP got utterly destroyed, Rogues were so easy to pick on, aspect+concuss = kiting fun.

I had a Rogue myself lvl 60 utterly epic'd out an I know how much I hated Hunters, basically why I made one...to do what I hated most to other Rogues :p

I have some fraps of killing afew Rogues lvl 60 at about lvl 30 in Redridge easily as a Hunter.

So basically stay away from him an you'll win, even now i'd imagine.. oh and is that BM skill (enrage I think) still bugged? as in it'll attack stealthed enemies, that was pretty handy ;)

Edit: as said above, totally stay in BM spec, I lvld in just over 2 weeks as this! :p
 
Cheers guys. Especially Anim. You given me some hope and some good tips there.

What do I trap him with? Can they see my traps? I know Rogues have a trap ability where they can disarm or see them.
 
Freezing trap to start with (thats the one that puts them in to a block of ice) and then freezing trap some more if you can ;)

Yes rogues do have the ability to see and disarm traps, but if youre stood on it he has to come very close to even see it and to disarm it you can hit him before he gets the chance.

If he complains that in a real situation you wouldnt be sat on a trap, the duel starts like this:

You > run around turning 180 constantly and randomly so that its hard for him to predict which side is behind you. He'll jump you at some point, get your pet to intimidate (3 sec stun) and then stop attacking.

You need to do that very quick because the next thing you'll do is feign death and lay a freezing trap whilst feigned, like instantly. THEN he'll hit your trap and you do what i said above in the previous post.


One other thing, if the guy is sprinting towards you and hits your trap, dont rush to hit him back, let his sprint wear off in the trap so that he cant catch up with you too quick.
 
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=10606

Best hunter that ever was and will be.
He didnt fight too many rogues in that vid, since they are tad too easy to kill.
Quite n old vid, way pre-TBC so no gear eyecandy, but the hunter is BM spec there, and some decent kitng techniques showed on the shammies.

Also, don't know if you can lay Icetraps in combat now?
'm assuming that if not, you know the ol' FD/Icetrap trick?

I had an imba FD icetrap macro

FD
Icetrap
Sadowmeld
Pet Shadowmeld

Booya ;)

ps: before the hippies start crying that its cheating | no it aint, i had tio press the macro numerous times.
 
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BM is not very good for leveling
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sorry mate, but no dis respect, if you think that you clearly have no idea how to play a hunter.

BM is the best and most stable way of lvling as a hunter, when im farming on my BM hunter (41/17/3) i can lvl for at least a hour solid non stop without even breaking a sweat, maybe if my pet (ZG bat) pulls more than 3 mobs at a time i have to bandage it after.

Marks/surv hunters are for pvp, but BM is now considered a massie pvp build cos of the character gain from bestial wrath, its like a 3 min fire mage, instead we go nuts, mix in bestial wrath/rapid fire and if your a orc (my char is) the racial skill... agression or something, never looked at it just clicked it lol. what im tryin to get at though, all that and as soon as your pet crits and gains frenzy you also gain a addition % to damage, which all sums up to about 900-1100 auto shot hits and i drop people in seconds.

ags

edit, forgot to say, all that happens and if you feel like it, you can enable intimidation as well, 3 sec stun, for me puts em down to about 1/2 or 1/4 hp and then i just auto the rest till they get to me and melee them down in shame
 
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A rogue only stands a chance at that level if they can backstab you, once you have seen them and start fighting proper then they are pretty easy to kill.

Unfortunatly for me a rogues backstab removes 50% of my health. Sucks to be a mage :(
 
Didn't read the last few posts, but I thought I'd wade in...

You don't need to feign death anymore to put a trap down. Traps can be put down in combat - 30s cooldown.

I'd start as said with standing on a freezing trap (block of ice) and doing the turny thing. Put pet on aggressive. I don't know if you have flare yet(can't remember when you get stuff), but if you do you can use that to bring mr rogue out of stealth - or at least stop him going near where you flared (I think - again I never duel, but when I used to hunters used to flare somewhere then stand in it.

Ok so all is going well, you have mr rogue in trap, or your pet's stunned him with intimidation if he got the jump on you first. You want to keep him ranged. Kite him around. Concussive shot and serpent sting are your friends. You could use scorpid sting to give him less chance of hitting you but I think it's better to keep the dot on him and keep him away from you. You also have wing clip to slow him down if he does get close.

If he's a gnome he can get out of movement impairing effects with his racial, so watch out for him using that. But it has a cooldown.

Say you've gone 30 seconds and he's closing you down now, put down another freezing trap and DO NOT put serpent sting on him - if he already has it use scorpid sting to overwrite the dot - you don't want him dotted if you're trying to freeze him ;)

Now you have a bit of time to bandage up if necessary.

TBH hunter should have an easy time with rogues, even moreso with BM spec.
 
Sinny said:
BM is not very good for leveling and respecing at your level is a waste, btw at this level differance the hunter will beat the rogue hands down if played right, takes time to learn to rogue in pvp situations but hunters can just kite you around.

btw if you are the rogue and the hunter sits on his flare with a trap undernearth it, you have technically won because their is nothing you can do except for get caught and be kited.
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BM not very good for lvl'ing? Dont talk bull. Its the only way to lvl fast as a hunter. What use it your pet when it dies in seconds, thats what happens specced MM.
 
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