WOW - KDE4!

[whitecrook]

Please stop comparing Gnome with Windows. (it's not my windows) Look at Gnome on it's own merits. If you want compare it with MacOS. I'm sure they had something as basic as a working trash way back in the 80's. probably.

The Trashcan - regardless of OS - what is it supposed to provide for the user?

1. A transient recepticle for files to reside before they are permanently removed from disc.

2. An ability to retrieve the files from the trash bin (like a real bin) before you 'put out the trash' (.e. delete the files forever)

Now. Don't tell me that point 2. is pointless, becuase that then renders point 1. pointless, and thus there is no point in a trash can why not just delete the files permanently in the first place?

Exactly.

So you delete a file from the desktop and place it in trash. You retrive it and put it on the desktop.

Great - what's the problem?

Well, try deleting 500 directories, containing 10000 files. Do you fancy the task of 'undeleting' them your self? What happens if you delete stuff at different times, perhaps with the same name? How do you know what file is what and WHERE IT CAME FROM?

You don't, because the Gnome Trash Sucks the ass. It's broken. Make a directory on your desktop called Temp. There you go a functioanlly equivalent Trash direcory called temp. It's useless. Do you See?

But it's almost completely irreleavent bacuse further up someone said this was going to be fixed. And it's about time.

On a related note, I really miss the 'Put Away' functionality that got MacOS has in relation to the Desktop (MacOSX - not sure) where you can drag a bunch of stuff to work on from your discs to your desktop, do the work, and then select Put Away and it files the files back into wherever they came from. That rocked.

 

[brummie]

Deleting 500 files or whatever would really be stupid but the top directory would still contain them all and could easily be put back. trash or recycle bin is really not supposed to be a place to store stuff only can only really be used as a safety net. I dont use it much myself i just perm delete. if restore was truely necessary then why hasnt some one already put it in place?

When i throw something away i don't rummage through the bin afterwards.
And what if i don't want something restored to its original location? or original location has been removed?
nothings perfect, and i'm happy with the way it is. It isnt broken its just not what YOU want.

 

[whitecrook]

Deleting 500 files or whatever would really be stupid

LOL?

but the top directory would still contain them all

Not if there was no Top dir. All these folders are named the same, but came from locations on 5 different HDs, and several directory trees, over the course of a week or 2.

and could easily be put back.

Not really.

trash or recycle bin is really not supposed to be a place to store stuff only can only really be used as a safety net.

Indeed the reason it can be used as a safely net is precisely becuase it does store the files.

I dont use it much myself i just perm delete.

OK - me too mostly, unless I think I may need the files, using it as a kind of safety-net.

if restore was truely necessary then why hasnt some one already put it in place?

Well, they have - in just about every other desktop environment/mac/win/ whatever. Just not in Gnome - yet.

And what if i don't want something restored to its original location? or original location has been removed?

You move it to where you want? Directly from the trash, if you wish.
The UI pops up a dialog and presents the user with a choice?

nothings perfect, and i'm happy with the way it is. It isnt broken its just not what YOU want.

Your happy with the trash, but you said you don't use it.. I happen to be someone who does like to use the trash sometimes, but for me it is no use becuase it's not like any other trash can I know.

 

[brummie]

LOL?

Not if there was no Top dir. All these folders are named the same, but came from locations on 5 different HDs, and several directory trees, over the course of a week or 2.

Thats would be silly to rely on a recylcle bin. If you can click delete by accident you can click 'empty recycle ' just as easy.

Not really.

yes it can, deleting 10000 files randomly on your computer is odd and what if your recycle bin couldnt handle the size needed? What if it was on removable media. Does windows help there? No it doesnt. gnome's way does though.


Indeed the reason it can be used as a safely net is precisely becuase it does store the files.

In other OS It cant catch all like gnome can so no it cant be relied upon


Well, they have - in just about every other desktop environment/mac/win/ whatever. Just not in Gnome - yet.

makes it wrong does it?

You move it to where you want? Directly from the trash, if you wish.
The UI pops up a dialog and presents the user with a choice?

i dont rememebr that option.

Your happy with the trash, but you said you don't use it.. I happen to be someone who does like to use the trash sometimes, but for me it is no use becuase it's not like any other trash can I know.

no i said i dont use it much. Which is the way i feel about my bed at the moment

 

[tripitaka]

I'll be trying to get this set up tonight.
First of all, I'll need to get wireless up and running (was a PITA in 7.10 Ubuntu, but I got there. Just installed Kubuntu in its place now)
The support for WPA on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu is pathetic, certainly through the GUI interface.
I'll persevere though, KDE 4 looks worth the effort.

 

[tripitaka]

Scrap that.
Just did a re-install of Kubuntu 7.10, and the WPA worked straight away.
I'm impressed. Now to grab KDE 4.01 and take it for a spin.

 

[marscay]

i've found little difference on the desktop between Ubuntu/Arch/Gentoo once you have a certain level of hardware, just that obviously Ubuntu and the like are so much more seamless to get up and running for inexperienced users.

looks like i'll be eating my own hat on that statement.

been playing with Arch again over the last few days and WOW, i must have messed up the gnome/compiz install last time or the ATI drivers were just that poor a few more mths ago (most likely ATI drivers were the reason).

Arch + 8.2 ATI proprietary drivers is running like a scaled cat versus ubuntu.