wtf orange safeguard???

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Rimsy

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just doing my normal commute home and decide to look at the ocuk forums on my desire as i would any normal weeknight and instead of going to these forums I'm redirected to this orangeworld.co.uk/r/avblocked/?CAT=%5Bforum-lg%5D&RULE=%5BFiltered%5D&DATETIME=%5B01/Nov/2010:18:53:36%5D&FILE=-&CODE=06dc90f7cc7c844b6876a83eba063d3ffcdaf3a0e4f246546bf8b3237503f730a902db232a8b86f9d577b9f62db0c7d5d856f3019ae88c8d32f4d4c824db1d8f79ef996cb99b36da07ab8f63c32211bd39275e99f61120df&LANG=eng&optcheckwfsp=%2A%05F%2Dc%0A%40%3C%EA%08%AF%D8%21%01%D1R%2B%B5%8BA&URL=http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/&REASON=CAT18

"Orange Safeguard has classified this page as only suitable for people over the age of 18.
We are currently unable to confirm your identity. We apologise for this inconvenience. The problem may be resolved if you disconnect completely and try again."

so I opened up the forums in opera and given how the browser works was pretty confident it would be ok but regardless... orange will be getting a call in the morning. utter joke.
 
So you've never tried logging onto a porn site on your phone before? :p

Most (if not all) networks have something similar. Very easy to unblock.
 
asim18 said:
So you've never tried logging onto a porn site on your phone before? :p

Most (if not all) networks have something similar. Very easy to unblock.
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Since Froyo... yes one or two! never had that message come up before though. Pleased to hear its easy to remove
 
The rules for age verification were pretty much dicated to the networks (agree a voluntary code containing these things or we'll force you), and require the system to be set up in such a way that if it can't positively identify your phone it will block access. This can sometimes occur even when the block has been removed already due to the setup required.

Sites such as OcUK get blocked because they are 'unmoderated' because they don't use pre-post validation. (ie a moderator doesn't approve every post).
 
Just got this message on my phone too -.- Been browsing OCuK for 5 months on my phone with no issues now this. Porn sites still work fine however... :rolleyes:
 
Just to let you guys know - if we break something on our end at orange, this can be triggered too (basically we drop the session between us and your phone, forget everything, and then get puzzled when you try to restart the session again). We did a change to one of our major systems last night, if a reboot doesn't fix it, phone up 150 and ask them to take away the block. I don't think ocuk is blocked though, the list is more blacklist than whitelist.
 
I got it removed a couple of years back yet it still jumps up occasionally and won't let me access OcUK.

What I don't understand is... i'm on a contract. So therefore i'm clearly 18. So why is it needed in the first place? On PAYG I can understand, but surely on contract it's just another annoyance?
 
Tute said:
I got it removed a couple of years back yet it still jumps up occasionally and won't let me access OcUK.

What I don't understand is... i'm on a contract. So therefore i'm clearly 18. So why is it needed in the first place? On PAYG I can understand, but surely on contract it's just another annoyance?
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re: 18 thing - I think law requires it to be opt out. Don't quote me on this though. Also you could be under 18 and your mum could have signed the contract.

Here's a technical reason I hope makes sense regarding why it happens :) The reason ISPs in the conventional sense don't have this problem is more to do with NAT. All the operators use a really REALLY big NAT. The problem is, phones go in and out of signal so that relationship has to be managed along with NAT traversal. Then we also have changes to our core systems which basically do the equivalent of dropping our NAT table (like when we upgrade HSDPA). If we drop NAT, we drop the list of people who are allowed through the adult filter (this check is done on connection start with the NAT, when you join the network).

The reasons ISPs on the ground don't suffer this problem is because they are a million times more simple. Ground connection is you - authentication - basic cable / copper link - (optional packet filter) - internets. Also, when they drop connections they don't have to check what services are available to your handset, when a modem restarts / network link restarts it's just the internet, that's all you get. It's not that simple for radio networks due to the services offered unfortunately so its difficult to get it working perfectly.

Alas, it's not really acceptable to see this message when you have the filter removed, hopefully this issue will be gone soon.
 
[TW]Fox;17699521 said:
Why do phone companies do this yet isps do not?
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Because the phone companies were effectively forced to, and the barriers to entry are much higher so it is much easier to enforce.

Tute said:
I got it removed a couple of years back yet it still jumps up occasionally and won't let me access OcUK.
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It happens sometimes due to the way it is set up. Default position is block, and those who are unblocked are recorded at the back end. If for any reason the system can't match you to the list of over 18s, or can't access the list, it defaults you to restricted access.

What I don't understand is... i'm on a contract. So therefore i'm clearly 18. So why is it needed in the first place? On PAYG I can understand, but surely on contract it's just another annoyance?
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You assume that the contract holder is also the user of the phone. I had my first contract mobile before I was 18, and I'm an old git now, it is far more common than realised to give contract phones to under 18s, either as primary user, or to use occasionally.
 
Dolph said:
Because the phone companies were effectively forced to, and the barriers to entry are much higher so it is much easier to enforce.
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That doesnt really answer my question.

Why were they forced to when ISP's were not? If I was 12 I could type stuff into google right now without issue and get all sorts of results back...
 
[TW]Fox;17705369 said:
That doesnt really answer my question.

Why were they forced to when ISP's were not? If I was 12 I could type stuff into google right now without issue and get all sorts of results back...
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I have absolutely no idea, apart from the hysterical rabble factor. Part of the theory goes that parents have more control over PC based internet use than mobile phone internet use, but in the real world, the internet is overtaking television as a babysitter to some, so we all know how well that'll work.

Unfortunately, it comes back to the problem that there is no requirement for any form of rationality in decision making in this country.
 
My only thought on why mobiles have this but not normal broadband would be due to location of usage.
Surfing for porn at home on cable is one thing, in school as an 11 year old on your payg phone though is different.

And this reminds me, need mine being removed from work phone!


Dolph - I can get on plenty of forums on orange, but not here so someone has manually added it to list probably.

Also, oddly, the 'suggest this website is ok' link doesn't work lol
 
Dolph said:
I have absolutely no idea, apart from the hysterical rabble factor. Part of the theory goes that parents have more control over PC based internet use than mobile phone internet use, but in the real world, the internet is overtaking television as a babysitter to some, so we all know how well that'll work.
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True but parents have complete control over contract handsets as well.

Only a moron would get a 12 year old a contract phone, for example.
 
I phoned Orange, when i was getting this error yesterday.

I had it removed years ago. There was a problem which they were trying to fix, it was causing everyone to get it.

Not tried it today :)
 
Yeah I was getting it, I assumed it was because I recently upgraded and that I'd have to eventually call them up again. Seems resolved now.
 
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