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[jaykay]

Are ati using stream processors??

 

[furnace]

If nVidia made the R600, I would be saving up for it!

But my past two cards from ATI have been pants So unfortunately I'm scared of them now

X800, worked fine, but had glitches occasionally. Ran very loud and hot. Eventaully died, literally the day after the warranty expired.

X1950XT worked fine, just not with the games I wanted to play. Which is stupid - a graphics card should just work. With any game.

7600GS works fine, dirt cheap, plays BF2 on high settings AND any other game I fancy playing (obviously not on high on every game though!), nice light weight driver interface... Nuff said!


So yeah, I think I'm just going to have to wait for nVidia's retaliating cards 'cos I really don't feel comfortable with ATI's cards

 

[Jabbs]

Pricing is what am looking forward to seeing the most, makes me laugh so many are making a decision based on nothing more than gossip, lets see some proper benchies please then i think is the time to judge which is going to be the best option.

I will be amazed if ati's big gun will be anywhere near the pricing of the current 8800gtx, and everyone seems to be discounting what nvidia are going to launch to counter it.

 

[Gashman]

generally there are people that build stuff, people in the industry and enough information without hard data to make an informed and educated guess. you can to a point say that barcelona will be faster than intels equivelent because the tech details are confirmed. if you read through the anandtech preview on it you can see that almost all the things that were added into conroe to make it a faster and more efficient cpu have been added to the x2's aswell. couple things differently because different architectures take advantage of things slightly differently. but there simply enough info and data to work out it will be faster.

G80 128 shaders, 384mbit bus, 768mb mem, 575/900 clockspeeds.
G90, same but on most likely the 65nm process(G81 same but on 80nm and sounds like its been scraped) and with higher clockspeeds and gddr4 is almost certain.

R600 128 shaders 512mbit bus, 1gig mem, sounds like what, 700-750/1000 clockspeeds(supposed to hit that on 80nm). it doesn't take a genius to make an educated guess that it will be faster. if its 100% certainly on 65nm process maybe clock speeds will be even higher. will that force nvidia to bump their bus up to 512mbit, maybe, will that add to developement time, transistor count and profits, yes. will the G90/81 or ever be hugely faster than either a G80, no, faster but not g70 to g80 type faster. will it be faster than r600, very hard to say, all info points to most likely extremely similar cards. if they perform more than 5-6% differently i'd be shocked.

you could not at all guess if R700 would be faster than a G100 because nothing is known about them, we however know a LOT about the r600.

your also forgetting to add that ATI mentioned using a more complex unified shader processor, not the simply stream processor the G80 uses