Xim3 Out Monday

Ultim8 said:
agreed but generally faster internet gets you a better ping dependant on location of the server/host.
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The two really aren't related at all once you get above the required bandwidth (this is assuming your ISP doesn't prioritise traffic depending on contract). Infrastructure and location are nearly entirely the determining factors.

Examples:
My house - 10mbit cable in West London, excellent ping
My old house - 20mbit cable in kingston upon thames, average to poor
My parents house - 20mbit ADSL in the middle of nowhere (literally, it's a cottage in the woods), terrible ping.

Anyways, these days thanks to lag correction and generally decent internet connections for most people, ping is nowhere near as large an issue as it used to be. Hosting on the 360 is a problem yes, but when it comes to dedicated servers, nearly everyone can find a server where things feel fair. It certainly creates less of an issue than people running around with mouse+kb on a game full of pad players.
 
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I'll just repost what I said in the other thread as it's still my views on the issue

We all know that playing with mouse and keyboard on consoles is akin to turning up to a knife fight with a gun. There is a massive difference between the skill it takes to control an analogue stick at the insane sensitivity and the skill it takes to play with mouse and keyboard.
I was a hardcore pc gamer, just bought an xbox a few months ago. I could easily have taken the easy route and bought an adapter but I didn't. I spent a month getting my backside handed to me, learning how to use the controller competently.
I play online games to challenge myself. Every kill would feel so cheap if I knew everyone else was using a control pad. I just couldn't do it.
When you think of people with the xim 2, they've spent all that money, they're running the device through their computer, they're hunched over their keyboard just to gain that advantage. It's depressing
You won't get caught and if you're happy to do it, go ahead. I would say to anyone planning on buying one. I was AWFUL with the controller. As bad as anyone could be, now it's very rare that I'll play a game of cod or bad company 2 where I don't come top of the scoreboard.
The excuse "I just don't get on with the controller, I'm more used to using mouse and keyboard" to me is redundant.


As someone else in this thread said, no matter how much you try to convince yourself, you ARE cheating. I imagine playing with an aimbot on a pc gets old pretty quickly, there'd be no satisfaction in beating people because you'd know it wasn't down to your skill. It'd be the same thing with this.
Having said that, I know that everyone plays online for different reasons. For example, some people are happy to use noob tubes and camp on cod, something I could never do. End of the day, xim is bad sportsmanship.
 
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Yep the internet connection argument is retarded, used to have 128k and that was fine for Ghost Recon on the original Xbox. My upload was **** but I still got 5 star connections in Rainbow Six 3 and lag free games on Ghost Recon, so long as the host was good.

Even with a XIM you'll still have to put up with the horrific host advantage these peer2peer console games have. Internet connection is not a legitimate factor, I used to get pings of 20-60 on CSS with a 4mb connection, I'm now on 20mb and guess what? My pings are the same. So one guy having a better connection than you is a poor justification.

I'll personally stick with playing on PC knowing I'm earning my kills fairly. :) Losers.
 
dannyjo22 said:
They are not though are they. A fair and level playing field, PC gaming. Don't make me laugh.
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Ignoring cheaters, it will be a far more level playing field than consoles are once the xim3 comes out.

The difference between a cheap mouse and a gaming mouse is much smaller than between a mouse and a pad.
 
I don't care if anyone uses one,

I'd like one myself, as I very rarely play FPS games, and when I do, I struggle to get to grips with the pad, it's always my very limiting factor, I'd like to use a K/M as I was always happy playing PC FPS games, crucially, I'd still suck, but at least I'd not be cursing the pad every 5 mins, and actually enjoying the game..

As it is, I actually don't play with a lot of my mates mainly because I get frustrated which is no fun for me, and they complain that I keep bringing the team score down, which is no fun for them..
 
Demon said:
I don't care if anyone uses one,

I'd like one myself, as I very rarely play FPS games, and when I do, I struggle to get to grips with the pad, it's always my very limiting factor, I'd like to use a K/M as I was always happy playing PC FPS games, crucially, I'd still suck, but at least I'd not be cursing the pad every 5 mins, and actually enjoying the game..

As it is, I actually don't play with a lot of my mates mainly because I get frustrated which is no fun for me, and they complain that I keep bringing the team score down, which is no fun for them..
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Solution = Get better friends.
 
-Tauren- said:
who cares? if you're good enough, you need not worry about someone using a KB and mouse.
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I'd like to see *anyone* with a regular pad beat the average PC gamer with a mouse and auto-aim. Nobody is good enough, it just wouldn't happen. It's just unbelievably unfair, the advantage is massive. At the end of the day, this is just a very expensive aimbot hack.
 
At the end of the day you are duping the console into thinking you are using a standard pad - if thats not the definition of cheating I dont know what is...

Dont kid yourself its anything but - irrelevant of what others think and how different platforms behave, if you accept that fact then fair play (sic) :D

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Nexus said:
Solution = Get better friends.
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I'd rather keep my friends as-is.. I'm just uncompetitive, which is a by-product of playing too many driving games with a wheel, and not playing many FPS games with a pad..

The solution is to get better with a pad, as I can't make the rest of the world less competitive, or perhaps use a control method that I do get on with..

However, there-in lies the reason I won't be getting an XIM, I'm not so hot with a pad because I don't play FPS games that often, and I'm certainly not going to spend $200+ just for very occasional use..
 
Ultim8 said:
And where did i moan? and why should i waste my time getting used to controllers when i have this option available to me?
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Because it's not difficult? I, like yourself, came from
PC gaming and I was utterly awful with a controller initially, but like most things, it takes a bit of practice. A week or two and I was doing great, and now I'm better than I ever was on the PC.

Everyone else had to learn to get used to the controllers, so why can't people like you?
 
ps3ud0 said:
At the end of the day you are duping the console into thinking you are using a standard pad - if thats not the definition of cheating I dont know what is...

Dont kid yourself its anything but - irrelevant of what others think and how different platforms behave, if you accept that fact then fair play (sic) :D

ps3ud0 :cool:
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My Fanatec Wheel allows me to tweak a myriad of control parameters that aren't available in-game or on any other wheel, all designed to improve performance, they even put a rumble motor on the brake pedal that you can set to vibrate at a certain level to ensure consistent maximum braking without locking up..

Based on that fact it's letting me tweak control parameters that the game doesn't allow, and even has hardware to 'assist' me, how does that 'lie' in the grand scheme of things.?
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Because it's not difficult? I, like yourself, came from
PC gaming and I was utterly awful with a controller initially, but like most things, it takes a bit of practice. A week or two and I was doing great, and now I'm better than I ever was on the PC.

Everyone else had to learn to get used to the controllers, so why can't people like you?
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A week or two? Jeez you're alright mate! lol, took me nearly a year before I could hit a barn door with a controller. Slow learner =(
 
Demon said:
I'd rather keep my friends as-is.. I'm just uncompetitive, which is a by-product of playing too many driving games with a wheel, and not playing many FPS games with a pad..

The solution is to get better with a pad, as I can't make the rest of the world less competitive, or perhaps use a control method that I do get on with..

However, there-in lies the reason I won't be getting an XIM, I'm not so hot with a pad because I don't play FPS games that often, and I'm certainly not going to spend $200+ just for very occasional use..
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It was more just a comment that it's pretty lame that your friends would be annoyed that you didn't do so well. It's about fun, if everybody one is having fun who cares how a member of your team does, leave that for the clan kiddies. Least that's how I play with my friends.
 
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