YAMAHA YHT1810 vs PIONEER HTP072

Pioneer 329 plus separate speaker pack looks slightly better value

For all in ones, you cannot beat either really. Bear this in mind though, neither AV receiver has an output for an active Subwoofer should you decide to upgrade the speaker package in the future. :)

Thanks Guys

The previous two posts both make excellent points. Whether the passive sub makes a difference to you really depends on where you see yourself with home cinema.

If this is your end game and you've no plans to upgrade and build a better cinema system then it not really important other than the small performance hit because the amp is powering the sub as well as the main speakers. On the other hand, if this is the first step on the road to bigger and better things then you need to think about the cost of upgrading - that's both in the cost of new gear and what your older stuff might fetch. It's slightly disheartening to think about selling something before you've even bought it, but it should be a consideration to help you way up the pros and cons.

A passive sub works like all the other speakers. It's a speaker in a box. The power to drive that comes from the amp. Bass takes a lot more power than the small satellite speakers. Passives are a method for manufacturers to keep costs down when making entry level gear. An active sub is more expensive to produce because it has its own built-in amplifier. The benefit is in sonics; first because it lightens the load on the main amp by not having to drive the power hungry bass, and second because the sub amp can be better matched to the needs of the speaker it is driving. The bass is stronger as a result.

If you plan to upgrade then selling speakers that include a passive sub on their own is difficult. Who is going to buy them?: They're not an upgrade for anyone. The only people that can buy them are those with an equivalent budget amp that has speaker sockets for a passive sub. If you sell the amp first then you've go the problem of how to power your passive sub. It's chicken and egg. None of this matters if you don't plan to upgrade, but if you do then you need to sell all as a complete system.

On the positive side, the fact that the Yamaha doesn't directly support HD audio decoding directly isn't so much of an issue as it first appears. Any decent Blu-ray player can be set to output Dolby True-HD and DTS Master Audio as a multichannel PCM signal. This means it's the player doing the decoding rather than the amp. To all intents and purposes the resulting sound is identical. The only difference is that you don't get the sexy DolbyHD or DTS-MA logo light up on the amp. The situation might be different if you're using media streamers with ripped BD content.

Where the lack of HD audio might be an issue is at resale time. The typical newbie buyer won't be as familiar with audio formats, so they're likely to skip something without direct HD audio support without realising it's not a big deal.


Is there something better???


The Pioneer and Yamaha are £249 and £269 respectively. Is there something better for the same money..... In short: No. But if you're prepared to tip in just a little extra over your original £300 budget then you can get something much better. Both the Pioneer VSX323 and Yamaha RVX375 are available at £149, though you'd have to join the VIP club to get the Pioneer at that price. Add the Tannoy SFX5.1 kit £169/£149 on VIP and then chuck in a bit of cash for cables and you're in business. No issues with HD audio. No issues with passive subs.

Thanks for taking time to explain.. I never used a active sub before, I upgrading over a standard all-in-one 5.1 Samsung. :eek:

I can come up a little more, what we talking £400?
This system will be used with Sky HD box, PS4 and my PC that has sound card that can send DTS or Dolby by Optical..

I was thinking plugging in the sky and ps4 by HDMI ps4 will use the HD audio in games. Sky will be standard Dolby
And then my PC for movie watching and music.

I see you say Pioneer VSX323, I can only see VSX329
http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/pioneer/vsx329/pion-vsx329-blk

Thanks again, this my first time into buying a AV Receiver, so I would like to make sure I have everything covered.
 
Thanks all the above dont matter to me.. 4 HDMI-in is more than enough.. Network etc not something I would ever use.

I would order now if I can get my head around this VIP... Looks like I need to go into shop.

I got an email saying Welcome... Thank you for becoming a Richer Sounds VIP!
 
Update

I went and bought the Pioneer VSX329 with the Tannoy SFX 5.1

I couldn't be any happier the difference over my all-in-one is unreal..

Question though! See on here one guy talked about buying extra speaker wire, and also on RS site they say the same thing..

Would someone like myself really notice a difference changing from the stock wire?
 
Sweet thank you so much for detailed reply.. So if I was to buy from RS what speaker wire would you personally recommend? Or if not from RS should I buy from Amazon?
 
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TBH, because of the lack of proper specs I can't recommend any of the RS cables under £3/m. Either go with Van Damme Blue from Amazon, or Fisual S-Flex White 2x1.5mm which is an oxygen free cable for just £1.50 per metre.

Thanks I'll go with the van Damme the name just rocks class haaa
 
Sorry with all the questions, for the sub I brought some 3m white and red cable from maplin, was in a rush just to get it all up and running..

You think I should also replace this cable with something better?
 
Yes/No/Maybe... ha ha ha

Cheaply made cables have poor shielding. They act as an aerial and that can then let in interference which manifest as hiss or buzzing. The sources of the interference vary, but a common one is induction noise from mains cables and poorly screened power supplies.

However, you should only change your sub cable if you can hear these problems from the sub. What's the situation for you?

Sub to me sounds normal, nice punchy base when you would expect and complete silence when nothing playing..

Am just not sure on the quality of maplin am not one to normally shop there but had no choice. Lol
 
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