Yet another "free energy" device

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As reported in the utterly reliable Mail on Sunday

So...it generates twice as much energy as is put into it, the inventor doesn't know how it works and it's being developed by a company the inventor left. No-one in the company knows how it works either.

I'm overflowing with anticipation of halving my gas bill when these things go on sale in 18 months, oh yes.

With mention of some chemicals and a "secret catalyst", my first thought is an exothermic chemical reaction, as used in self-heating cans of coffee, and an electric heater. Of course, the chemicals would need to be replaced often and the waste disposed of somehow.

I've seen the suggestion that it's a heat pump. If that's true, it would be heating your water by cooling your house, which would at best have no effect on your bills. If so, it must be remarkable efficient to achieve such a large movement of heat with a relatively small device.

More "free energy" burble...but maybe we'll have a new type of cooling system for our PCs in a couple of years :)
 
It sounds too good to be true - not to mention the fact that it violates almost every known law of physics.
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I stopped reading there. Even though I know very little about physics and I believe physics isn't 100% correct, I'm inclined to believe them over a group who doesn't even know how it works!
 
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sniffy said:
I stopped reading there. Even though I know very little about physics and I believe physics isn't 100% correct, I'm inclined to believe them over a group who doesn't even know how it works!
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It doesn't look to break the laws of physics... as the power for the device is used with hydrogen in the water, so there is a fuel there to keep the laws intact.

Still sceptical though... saying that they aim to have it out in the next few years so it must do 'something'.
 
How this 12inch miracle tube could halve heating bills
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Amazing British invention creates MORE energy than you put into it - and could soon be warming your home
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If it's creating more energy than is being put into it then surely my heating bill should be nill...
 
I want to hear more about Steorn, didn't they say they would do another demo? Heat from the studio lights :rolleyes:
 
I think people should be more open minded on things like this.

Remember once we thought protons and electrons = atom afterall.
 
This is a claim that a secret ingredient can do something that directly contradicts everything that is known about the subject, that it can do something that is not known to happen anywhere, ever. It's about as radical as a claim that everything known about how flight works is wrong and in fact things can only fly because undetectable pixies hold them up with magic.

Does anyone want to buy a bridge?

Maybe it works as stated, but the energy must be coming from somewhere.

It's possible that the inventor stumbled on a more efficient way of converting matter to energy without knowing (or without telling anyone) how it works.

It's possible that the inventor is an alien working undercover amongst humans, subtly feeding useful improvements in technology to humans without showing the alien origin of the technology.

I acknowledge these possibilities - that is having an open mind. I don't accept them without decent evidence - that is being gullible.
 
There is nothing that says this device cant work. For as long as mankind has been coming up with theories for how the universe works we have been proven wrong. It is only a matter of time, IMHO, before our 'Laws of Physics' are disproven.
 
Perhaps our current laws will be disproven, but I don't think this heating system is doing it. My chemistry's a bit rusty, but in this case is it not simply reacting the potassium carbonate with water/H202 or whatever the magic super secret catalyst is creating? I.e. using energy in the reactants? When I set fire to something I don't claim to be breaking the laws of physics, so why should anyone believe these charlatans, the Mail, or the mickey mouse scientist that validated the ground-breakingness of this device?
 
Stiff_Cookie said:
There is nothing that says this device cant work. For as long as mankind has been coming up with theories for how the universe works we have been proven wrong. It is only a matter of time, IMHO, before our 'Laws of Physics' are disproven.
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Perhaps true, but breaking conservation of energy would pretty much render all of our scientific understanding void. It would change everything. For that reason it's wise to be skeptical when someone claims to have broken it (not sure these people actually are claiming that, more like they are claiming they don't know where the energy is coming from).
 
Im just saying that we shouldn't look down on this simply because it didnt come from a well funded lab somewhere.

I am also not saying that I think it does what it claims to do but I am not going to dismiss it simply because it supposedly breaks our laws of physics.
 
Given its almost certainly not magically generating energy, why are those academics willing to be named in this article?! Do they want to lose what little credibility they probably have! Muppets :).

Maybe the secret ingredient is loads of duracell batteries hidden in the tube :p (more likely, some energy is being extracted from the contents of the tube - hence the contents will degrade over time and need replacing).
 
Stiff_Cookie said:
For as long as mankind has been coming up with theories for how the universe works we have been proven wrong.
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Something which happens less and less as time goes on. In case you hadn't noticed, science accumulates information. That means each guess is better than the last one, and the odds of a major upset are always decreasing. Try Universal Gravitation: in four hundred years the best anyone has managed is to show is that it's a special case (albeit one which is true for the vast majority of normal human experience), not that it's untrue. There is a massive amount of knowledge and experiment revolving around the laws of thermodynamics, and very little chance any of them are wrong. Or even a special case.

In this case you can be absolutely certain that one of two things is happening:

1) They missed something.

2) It's a con.

As for academics supporting it; there are idiots in every field. There are doctors who think copper bands stop rheumatism for instance.


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When I have seen his work published in a reputable journal THEN i will take note... for now it looks like a bit of pipe from B&Q being held by a dodgy person with an extremely vague diagram...
 
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