Z690 DDR5 Mobo suggestionS

Awahwah

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Hi All,

Im struggling to pick a mobo for a I7 build and wonder if any suggestions could be made?

So far I’ve looked at:

Aorus Pro
Aorus Ultra
MSI Tomahawk

im happy to pay up to £450 ish

This PC will be a 5 year build so won’t be looking to change it again.

Thanks in advance..

Tom
 
I would check what features each board offers like the Tomahawk has 4 x m2 drives but only 3 are pcie4 speed, one is pcie3.

Not a deal breaker for some but maybe for others.
 
Awahwah said:
This PC will be a 5 year build so won’t be looking to change it again.
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£800 on a board and 32GB average DDR5 RAM, or £300 on a board and 32GB DDR4 RAM.

The board will offer no performance gains at all unless you are heavily overclocking a 12900K and really pushing the VRM.

Do yourself a favour and save £500, use it to buy better storage or something.
 
Journey said:
£800 on a board and 32GB average DDR5 RAM, or £300 on a board and 32GB DDR4 RAM.

The board will offer no performance gains at all unless you are heavily overclocking a 12900K and really pushing the VRM.

Do yourself a favour and save £500, use it to buy better storage or something.
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I get that, I do but my current machine is going to the in laws - their machine is pants.
 
Awahwah said:
I get that, I do but my current machine is going to the in laws - their machine is pants.
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Right, how does that change what I said?

EDIT: Example below for a board/CPU/RAM/cooler combo.

Z690 with DDR4 option.

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Total: ~£715

or

Z690 with DDR5 option.

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL40 Memory
Total: ~£1050

£335 difference to get no extra performance, it makes no sense at all.

You'll get the same performance, or you could opt for slower DDR5 which will give you worse performance than the DDR4, but you might save £125.

Why do you think DDR5 is a good idea, or is going to make your system last longer if you don't plan on changing it?
 
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I'd agree that it's simply not worth going DDR5 as the performance just doesn't justify the extra outlay, when DDR5 is hitting 8000-10000mhz then that's the time to jump IMO.

In all honesty you would probably be best keeping your current 5800X system for another couple of years till DDR5 has matured and building the in laws a cheap system based around a 12400 and B660.
 
Joxeon said:
I'd agree that it's simply not worth going DDR5 as the performance just doesn't justify the extra outlay, when DDR5 is hitting 8000-10000mhz then that's the time to jump IMO.

In all honesty you would probably be best keeping your current 5800X system for another couple of years till DDR5 has matured and building the in laws a cheap system based around a 12400 and B660.
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Is what I’ve decided. I’ve needed to order a southbridge fan for the Taichi as it’s started to fail.

Journey said:
Right, how does that change what I said?

EDIT: Example below for a board/CPU/RAM/cooler combo.

Z690 with DDR4 option.

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Total: ~£715

or

Z690 with DDR5 option.

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL40 Memory
Total: ~£1050

£335 difference to get no extra performance, it makes no sense at all.

You'll get the same performance, or you could opt for slower DDR5 which will give you worse performance than the DDR4, but you might save £125.

Why do you think DDR5 is a good idea, or is going to make your system last longer if you don't plan on changing it?
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As I say, I get your point.
 
Awahwah said:
Hi All,

Im struggling to pick a mobo for a I7 build and wonder if any suggestions could be made?

So far I’ve looked at:

Aorus Pro
Aorus Ultra
MSI Tomahawk

im happy to pay up to £450 ish

This PC will be a 5 year build so won’t be looking to change it again.

Thanks in advance..

Tom
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You've not listed any Asus motherboards? Is there a particular reason?

What do you use your PC for? Is tweaking and overclocking important to you, and you find yourself in the bios every day? Or are you a set and forget kinda guy?
 
Change my mind around this.

Just ordered a budget build for the in laws. I'll keep hold of the 5800X till Zen 4.

Thanks for the input guys.
 
Sorry to hijack this thread but it sounds as though Awahwah has made his decision. Also, excuse my lack of knowledge, I have been out of PC building quite some time.


I am running an even older PC, a 4770k on an Asus Formula VI from 2013. Would I too be crazy to go for a DDR5 motherboard? :p

The main reason I ask is due to the age. I'm likely to keep my next build for just as long as this one near enough 8 years or so.

If I am going to buy a new system, then should I spend my money on a system that isn't going to see any further development (DDR4)... and so if by buying a DDR5 motherboard and then upgrading the RAM in a few years time when speed have increased, would that be a better option? Or is it also a limitation of the DDR5 motherboards that they won't support the newer faster speeds of DDR5 RAM in which case I need to hold off on both motherboard and RAM until they mature?
 
benji182 said:
Or is it also a limitation of the DDR5 motherboards that they won't support the newer faster speeds of DDR5 RAM in which case I need to hold off on both motherboard and RAM until they mature?
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No it is a limitation of decent DDR5 RAM costing 4-5x as much as the same amount of DDR4 that will offer the same performance in a great deal of uses. You can spend £90 on 32GB DDR4 3200MHz C16, or £399+ on some DDR5 6000MHz C40 RAM, and you'll gain nothing other than wasting £300. You could then use that £300 to get a whole new board/CPU/RAM in a few years, and your kit that you'd buy now would still be worth something, but the DDR5 RAM will probably be worth £50 at best, not £400.
 
Journey said:
No it is a limitation of decent DDR5 RAM costing 4-5x as much as the same amount of DDR4 that will offer the same performance in a great deal of uses. You can spend £90 on 32GB DDR4 3200MHz C16, or £399+ on some DDR5 6000MHz C40 RAM, and you'll gain nothing other than wasting £300. You could then use that £300 to get a whole new board/CPU/RAM in a few years, and your kit that you'd buy now would still be worth something, but the DDR5 RAM will probably be worth £50 at best, not £400.
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I see where you are coming from - but given that I tend to build high-end and make it last, I feel for my circumstances that buying a new motherboard, i7 CPU and some cheaper DDR5 now that gets me into a new platform that will allow me to play games etc and then solely upgrade the RAM in a few years time is more cost effective than buying now something that won't hold its value and is technically already old tech, and then buying again something that is likely to not offer a great performance increase in when 'decent' DDR5 RAM is more readily available.
 
benji182 said:
I see where you are coming from - but given that I tend to build high-end and make it last, I feel for my circumstances that buying a new motherboard, i7 CPU and some cheaper DDR5 now that gets me into a new platform that will allow me to play games etc and then solely upgrade the RAM in a few years time is more cost effective than buying now something that won't hold its value and is technically already old tech, and then buying again something that is likely to not offer a great performance increase in when 'decent' DDR5 RAM is more readily available.
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No, you aren't getting it. DDR5 is overpriced, you'll have already spent that £300 extra, poof, gone vanished. Adding yet more slightly faster DDR5 later down the road isn't going to make your system way better and there is no guarantee that your motherboard or the IMC in your CPU will even support it.

We are in a highly competitive and fast paced market right now, almost as fast as the early to mid 2000's, when you'd be seeing a big jump every 6-9 months from one manufacturer to the next, we aren't in stagnation land anymore now.

I mean if you really think DDR5 is going to make your system last longer go ahead and buy it, and ignore what 90% of the people on here will tell you who work with or build systems all of the time, it is your money after all. :)
 
For the in laws build I spent £50 on 16g 3200 cl16. Bargin at that price. I went for a 5600x on a Tomahawk B550 for them with the view of giving them my 5800x when I decided to upgrade.

Just finished putting it together and I’m quite happy it. Gave them a case (750D), an nmve drive, an ssd and 1tb spinning HDD. Should be more than enough for them.

Thanks again for those who steered me away from spending silly money for no reason.
 
My asus maximus hero 690 has been great with only Problem i haven't it doesn't like riser cables.
 
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