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Zen sporadic Performance in reviews due to Motherboards

What do you mean by that? i was expecting there to be problems, considering it is a new uARCH, chipset and motherboard ecosystem.

It's like I'm witnessing bulldozers launch again.
The exact same things are being used as excuses again.

I put my blame on thread priority (which was an issue for BD). The performance is there this time unlike BD.

For me when I get my 1700, it'll either be fixed or I'll just have to disable SMT. Or just stick it till next iteration.
 
Thanks for link, interesting read. With SMT issue as well looks like we are a month away from seeing exactly where Ryzen sits.
 
It's like I'm witnessing bulldozers launch again.
The exact same things are being used as excuses again.

I put my blame on thread priority (which was an issue for BD). The performance is there this time unlike BD.

For me when I get my 1700, it'll either be fixed or I'll just have to disable SMT. Or just stick it till next iteration.

Yeah, in highly threaded applications it seems to run fantastic. From the AMD reddit, it could be a case of some games having been written with Intels Hyperthreading in mind, which could be casuing the issues. Or it could likewise be a windows issue. But even Intel needed window patching to work properly with Hyperthreading.
 
It's like I'm witnessing bulldozers launch again.
The exact same things are being used as excuses again.
Not quite the same, I'm not sure if there were any good benchmarks for Bulldozer. :p

I put my blame on thread priority (which was an issue for BD). The performance is there this time unlike BD.
Yep, HyperThreading needed a Windows patch, Bulldozer's modules needed a Windows patch. We know from AMD that one is due within 30 days that should address some of the performance issues we've seen in games.

For me when I get my 1700, it'll either be fixed or I'll just have to disable SMT. Or just stick it till next iteration.
I'm definitely upgrading my GPU before my CPU which means I'll have the benefit of being able to look at the 6c/12t variant with all the issues ironed out or, as you say, wait for Zen+, which'll hopefully clock higher.
 
and the reason being for Mobo support is AMD useless NDA.

what normally happens is CPU maker ships out engineering samples, then retail samples to board vendors, how give to reviewers ahead of reveal to do their testing basically then scramble to have day 1 Bios releases for the boards.

this time around AMD had a poor engineering sample, and when it did, this was January and then NDA and not shipping Board vendors and reviewers CPUs has crippled Bios's

give it a month for EVERY board vendor and AMD. should see better performance :)
 
ill admit, im slightly annoyed there are a couple of niggling issues, but there is no doubt AMD have done incredibly well with this line of CPU's
 
I feel like I'm in October 2011.
Agreed, I wrote the same thing in the review thread earlier.

Sadly most of the 'spurious' reviews will remain online indefinitely and not be updated as the mobo/software/driver/firmware environment improves.

Bulldozer and Piledriver performance improved on several occasions, especially with OS upgrades, but hardly anyone knew about it. Hopefully the same doesn't happen again.
:D

*Sad trombone sound*
:D
 
Agreed, I wrote the same thing in the review thread earlier.

Sadly most of the 'spurious' reviews will remain online indefinitely and not be updated as the mobo/software/driver/firmware environment improves.

Bulldozer and Piledriver performance improved on several occasions, especially with OS upgrades, but hardly anyone knew about it. Hopefully the same doesn't happen again.

:D
This is why the issues need to be fixed before the 6 and 4 core versions are released. Those will garner a whole new wave of reviews, particularly with gaming benchmarks, and they need to have Ryzen performing at its best rather than without proper drivers and dodgy early BIOSs. It's the only chance they have to stop the entire Zen line-up being tainted by the initial batch of reviews.
 
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