So sod it then? It happens anyway so why should it matter here? I'm sorry but I cannot get on board with that line of thinking.
Poll: Death Penalty - Yay or Nay
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So sod it then? It happens anyway so why should it matter here? I'm sorry but I cannot get on board with that line of thinking.
Indeed, and to consider the USA,
You are probably far more likley to be Murdered by somebody has has already served time for Murder and been released than you are to be falsely executed.
See http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html
(I dare say a similar list could be compiled foir the UK, but I havent found it)
You understand the difference though, right? Choosing to take a risk is different to having risk forced upon you by the state.
There is always a risk of a miscarriage of justice and you can't undo a death penalty.
Places like Singapore have the death penalty and a fairly low crime rate, but then again there are also places like the US with above average crime rates. I'm not convinced it's necessarily much of a deterrent.
Historically in this country capital punishment hasn't always been much of a deterrent either. People will still murder in anger without thinking of the consequences, people who are desperate will still steal, people will still risk things like smuggling drugs because of the promised financial reward.
Places like Singapore have the death penalty and a fairly low crime rate, but then again there are also places like the US with above average crime rates. I'm not convinced it's necessarily much of a deterrent.
Historically in this country capital punishment hasn't always been much of a deterrent either. People will still murder in anger without thinking of the consequences, people who are desperate will still steal, people will still risk things like smuggling drugs because of the promised financial reward.
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I am saying the level of risk is so small, it's not a good argument against an otherwise entirely rational course of action.
Absolutely, if you kill yourself you accepted the risk. But I am talking about the risk of killing someone else in your car because you choose not to focus on your driving or drive in a poor condition. If you valued life so highly than even the astronomical odds of a miscarriage of justice is too much for you, then you ought not drive if you have a cold or a bad nights sleep (for example), because the odds of killing someone in a car when you're not at your best is MUCH higher.
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You kill someone? you die for it.
Do you actually have any idea how the criminal justice system works? It's a rhetorical question.
You brought your age into it, not me. Your "life experiences" don't make your views any more valid than anyone else's.
So the person that kills them dies too? Genius.
65 murderers were released and offended again, in 50 + years. We don't know how many have been falsely executed.
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You cant actually undo a prison sentence either..
Which is why, for lesser offences, I am actually in favour of Corporal Punishment rather than fines or prison terms.
12 strokes of the Cat would be bloody painful. But Punishment could be administered on a Friday afternoon and you could go back to work on Monday.
Past experience (Nelsons Navy) suggests that it is a powerful deterrent.
And if there is a miscarriage of justice, you didn't actually have your life destroyed and a nice cheque can make an awful lot of pain go away!
Death by dangerous driving is a serious offence and carries a custodial sentence. Who goes to jail when the state convicts the wrong person?
Funnily enough.
For reasons already mentioned by others, For me, "Most" Murders probably wouldn't warrant execution.
However, there are other crimes that I would be happy to see the perps go to the gallows for.
(Stuff like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-mobile-phone-cigarettes-pocket-watches.html for instance)
You cant actually undo a prison sentence either..
Which is why, for lesser offences, I am actually in favour of Corporal Punishment rather than fines or prison terms.
12 strokes of the Cat would be bloody painful. But Punishment could be administered on a Friday afternoon and you could go back to work on Monday.
Past experience (Nelsons Navy) suggests that it is a powerful deterrent.
And if there is a miscarriage of justice, you didn't actually have your life destroyed and a nice cheque can make an awful lot of pain go away!
True, you can't give back time someone has lost, but it's not quite as bad as being, well, dead. I imagine it must be very bad for the families of wrongly executed people.
The "you have almost no chance of being wrongly executed" argument would be absolutely no consolation to me if I was one of the people who made that tiny statistic either!
I think we probably just need harsher prison sentences here and the prisons themselves need to be more harsh; at the least, UK prisons are perceived to be quite soft (not that I intend on finding out).
I don't know about corporal punishment, but humiliation can be/was a good deterrent. Being in the stocks was very embarrassing!
Well, of course, Personally I would be perfectly happy to see corporate manslaughter charges brought under these circumstances (Murder indeed should it be shown that there were wilful improprieties involved in the trial (Withholding evidence, Perjury, that sort of thing))
The difficulty, as ever, with large organisations (And in particular in the Public Sector) is actually finding somebody that is actually "Responsible"
But yes, if there is a wrongful execution heads should roll, The threat of that lurking in the minds of the prosecution should sharpen their minds and should be a major part of the checks and balances.
No, it is worse!
When you are dead you are dead.
If you have spent the best years of your life in prison for something you didn't do (And then had the insult of being charged for your board and lodgings) you will spend the rest of your miserable life regretting what you have irretrievably lost.
Nope, Death is better actually.
How is it worse!? I would rather spend 20 years in jail than be killed.
Except you would be released and compensated for your time. Not by enough in my opinion, but still better than being dead.
Nope, Death is better actually.
Disagree, completely. Arguing that death is better than imprisonment as an excuse to potentially kill innocent people is a poor argument, at best.
Oh, yay. Another person with a tenuous grasp of the English language thinking they should decide peoples fate. It isn't a waste of taxpayers' money, executing someone almost always costs more than keeping them imprisoned for life.
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't relise I could only give an opinion as long as you agreed with it
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An alarming amount have people have said Yes! They want to see it return. Bloody hell!