When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

humbug · 12 Dec 2023 at 15:16

Joxeon said:
Then you have to wonder why their margin is so low compared to Nvidia when they are virtually charging the same if not more per mm2 of TSMC 5nm silicon while also supposedly having a cheaper deal with TSMC.

The 4070Ti is 294mm and £800, the 7900XT is 304mm + 188mm (492mm) and £800

The 4090 is £1000 more expensive than the 7900XTX.

The 4070 with a similar die size to the 7800XT / 7700XT is more expensive

The 4060Ti is smaller than the 7700XT

We have got to the stage now where we say an Nvidia GPU 20% faster than an AMD GPU is worth 110% more, or £1000 more.

humbug · 12 Dec 2023 at 15:24

Nvidia sell nothing but GPU's and have 75% margins @Joxeon to AMD's 14% in the gaming space.

they also make the GPU's cheaper, have you seen the PCB of the 4070 compared with the 7800XT?

humbug · 12 Dec 2023 at 15:30

humbug said:
Nvidia sell nothing but GPU's and have 75% margins @Joxeon to AMD's 14% in the gaming space.

they also make the GPU's cheaper, have you seen the PCB of the 4070 compared with the 7800XT?

4070. this is the PCB of a £200 GPU sold for £600. Its like a cheap PSU where they save money by pulling half the filters and various other components off the PCB and replace the rest with cheap unbranded crap, its not quality.

7800XT, this is a high quality PCB.

NZXT30 · 12 Dec 2023 at 17:25

humbug said:
Nvidia sell nothing but GPU's and have 75% margins @Joxeon to AMD's 14% in the gaming space.

they also make the GPU's cheaper, have you seen the PCB of the 4070 compared with the 7800XT?

Their console business brings the margins down since it's all about volume. Their PC gaming margins are way higher.

MrMarvelous · 12 Dec 2023 at 17:28

Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

I'm still on a 1080Ti!

humbug · 12 Dec 2023 at 18:21

NZXT30 said:
Their console business brings the margins down since it's all about volume. Their PC gaming margins are way higher.

Oh... and with that they can still cut prices by 20% right? conveniently.

They made £200 million from gaming, that's nothing, just how low are those margins? 2%?

what's more expensive to make, a console SoC or a dGPU?

Did you know AMD lost money on every Radeon VII they sold?

humbug · 12 Dec 2023 at 18:29

If to gain market share you have to be 50% cheaper and make a loss on everything you sell you don't have a business, all Nvidia need to do is wait for AMD to go bust, that's what they did to ATI.

We either buy their GPU's at a point where they can R&D the next generation or we don't and they stop that R&D to put in to profitable segments.

gpuerrilla · 12 Dec 2023 at 18:32

MrMarvelous said:
Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

Shall have to see if the Super refreshes stimulate hesitant gamers. The only way any movement down is going to happen is if people stop buying the hardware.

Harlequin · 12 Dec 2023 at 19:56

MrMarvelous said:
Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

I'm still on a 1080Ti!

They wont because of mining! Oh wait, that was last year wasn`t it, erm, Ai i think it this years boon doogle

Man-In-A-Teapot · 12 Dec 2023 at 20:04

So the answer to "when will GPU prices go down?" is after the demand for mining, NFT's, and AI goes down so not in the foreseeable future, and that sill assumes the scalpers don't come back again.

Harlequin · 12 Dec 2023 at 20:06

Man-In-A-Teapot said:
So the answer to "when will GPU prices go down?" is after the demand for mining, NFT's, and AI goes down so not in the foreseeable future, and that sill assumes the scalpers don't come back again.

or the next thing or the one after. Since Nvidia are on the march to 100% gross margin, they wont put prices down.

MCFC_ANDY · 12 Dec 2023 at 20:12

MrMarvelous said:
Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

i will

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Dec 2023 at 21:15

Zarax said:
Yes, the 6650XT/7600 would barely fit the criteria but come on, 4 years after and same RAM amount?

But that is why I said the £300 deals on the RX 6700XT and selling the game would have been the best all-round upgrade.

NZXT30 · 12 Dec 2023 at 21:38

humbug said:
Oh... and with that they can still cut prices by 20% right? conveniently.

They made £200 million from gaming, that's nothing, just how low are those margins? 2%?

what's more expensive to make, a console SoC or a dGPU?

Did you know AMD lost money on every Radeon VII they sold?

Like others have said AMD having significantly lower margins than Nvidia in PC gaming makes zero sense.

Unless there is company corruption and mismanagement?

gpuerrilla · 12 Dec 2023 at 21:46

Harlequin said:
or the next thing or the one after. Since Nvidia are on the march to 100% gross margin, they wont put prices down.

Basically gamers are last in the line, almost in the dust tbh. AI is too profitable, wait till mining comes back in to fashion then the scalpers will be bot buying.

KompuKare · 12 Dec 2023 at 22:10

MrMarvelous said:
Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

I'm still on a 1080Ti!

It's funny that you should mention the 11GB 1080 Ti.

11GB. Did I mention 11GB yet?

Because on the deals website someone was going on about how they were finally going "upgrade" to the 8GB 3070 Ti.

8GB. Did I mention 8GB yet?!

Decided to leave them alone but plenty of posters on that deal were laughing at an 8GB card in 2023.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Dec 2023 at 22:19

NZXT30 said:
Like others have said AMD having significantly lower margins than Nvidia in PC gaming makes zero sense.

Unless there is company corruption and mismanagement?

Probably because of consoles, and their last generation RX6000 series cards were cheaper than the RTX3000 series for much longer and are not using Samsung. Once the RX6000 series sells out, margins should rise. Having said that the more complex chiplet design with more VRAM still will mean Nvidia will do better in margins, especially as Ada Lovelace is a massive performance jump and RDNA3 lags behind. If Nvidia wasn't so greedy AMD would be in deep trouble.

Blackjack Davy · 13 Dec 2023 at 06:45

MrMarvelous said:
Has anyone actually answered the question of when GPU prices will go down?

I'm still on a 1080Ti!

Any day now, I can feel it in me water...

0h_no_not_again · 13 Dec 2023 at 07:07

humbug said:
4070. this is the PCB of a £200 GPU sold for £600. Its like a cheap PSU where they save money by pulling half the filters and various other components off the PCB and replace the rest with cheap unbranded crap, its not quality.

7800XT, this is a high quality PCB.

Your post just shows how good the design of the 4070 is. You get the same performance for less silicon, PCB and componentry. I applaud NV for that, because it means it should be cheaper.

It's just that it's not cheaper..... So NV engineers are excellent, but their pricing strategy is *******.

Joxeon · 13 Dec 2023 at 09:36

humbug said:
4070. this is the PCB of a £200 GPU sold for £600. Its like a cheap PSU where they save money by pulling half the filters and various other components off the PCB and replace the rest with cheap unbranded crap, its not quality.

7800XT, this is a high quality PCB.

You have to ask why is a midrange card using a high end PCB though, surely consumers buying at around £500 would rather pay £400 and get a more basic PCB?

Even the higher power 6800XT wasn't as over-engineered as shown below.