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Old 4th May 2007, 09:32   #1
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Legality of Legalsounds.com

Morning all,

I was told by a colleague this morning that Legalsounds.com is based in Russia and is offering Chart albums for downloading at extremely low prices, and wondered about the legality of buying tracks from there and keeping them on my mp3 player.

Has anyone got any thoughts on this please?
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Old 4th May 2007, 09:50   #2
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Morning all,

I was told by a colleague this morning that Legalsounds.com is based in Russia and is offering Chart albums for downloading at extremely low prices, and wondered about the legality of buying tracks from there and keeping them on my mp3 player.

Has anyone got any thoughts on this please?
This is very similar to the other Russian music site to be honest - it sounds too good to be true - which means it probably is.

Rich

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From my edit it is clear to see that as the other Russian site cannot be mentioned, I guess this one won't last long either!

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Old 4th May 2007, 09:51   #3
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I use another site based in/around Russia. They've been nobbled twice but they swear they are legal now. I still give my money to them because well - I believe them when they say they are legal

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Old 4th May 2007, 09:53   #4
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theyre legal


but i think its just illegal for us to use them

suppose they should have blocks for outsiders etc

im guessing the price of a music cd in Russia is very very cheap so the mp3s are cheap to
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Old 4th May 2007, 09:54   #5
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They conform to every single one of their countries own laws - this whole claiming that it is a grey area is such rubbish.

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Old 4th May 2007, 09:55   #6
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its similar to how mp3s from american sites seem cheaper than the uk ones , and that you could import a cd from the usa for much cheaper than we pay

Russia is just a big step cheaper
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Old 4th May 2007, 10:00   #7
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Is it legal in the UK to download MP3s from legalsounds and play them to myself?
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Old 4th May 2007, 10:04   #8
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Is it legal in the UK to download MP3s from legalsounds and play them to myself?
Do you honestly care

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Old 4th May 2007, 10:06   #9
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how much money does the artist get?

nothing

because they are under no agreement to pay the royalties to artists and labels.
this is what all the fuss is about.

I believe that technically it is illegal for you to buy music in this country (regardless of its origin) without paying the royalties owed.

one such site is selling MP3's of my band. I am not best pleased about it.
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Old 4th May 2007, 10:09   #10
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how much money does the artist get?

nothing
That's nothing new. Artists in many countries get jack **** from the sales of their albums, mp3 sites or not.

The royalties go into the industry [label, distribution] not always the artist. A bit upside-down, I know.

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Do you honestly care
yea, why do you ask?
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Old 4th May 2007, 10:12   #12
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I guess this is similar to the European Commission investigating Apple's iTunes Charging Fraud, and how living in Britain we pay higher prices then anyone else for an iTunes track, but cannot buy from any other country.

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Old 4th May 2007, 10:12   #13
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If you're getting pirated music then why pay some random company a fee in the process? Kind of defeats the point.

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Old 4th May 2007, 10:27   #14
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That's nothing new. Artists in many countries get jack **** from the sales of their albums, mp3 sites or not.

The royalties go into the industry [label, distribution] not always the artist. A bit upside-down, I know.
the artist gets mechanical royalties no matter what in this country.

but if the music is bought from outside the country in electronic format then the artist doesnt get that.
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Old 4th May 2007, 11:03   #15
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The royalty thing people have really got wrong on here.

AFAIK russian companies have to pay a set fee whenever they want to sell any track. This goes to some great big collection agency thing in russia. Artists can then sign up with this (state owned) organisation and get their share of the royalties - except not a single one of the RIAA controlled artists is signed up - hardly the russian companies fault


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Old 4th May 2007, 11:15   #16
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fact.

and that is the labels responsibility not the artists.

although it is the artists responsibility to sign up for the PRS and MCPS, that cover any air time (public broadcast of your material must be paid for) etc etc.

and these associations do collect from other countries. but only EU I believe.
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Old 4th May 2007, 11:46   #17
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That other russian site is awesome, I'm a (very) regular customer of it. I couldn't care less for its legality, all I know is that they charge the real value of music, which I am willing to pay - not the inflated "the RIAA wishes music was this valuable" value of music

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Old 4th May 2007, 11:50   #18
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im guessing the price of a music cd in Russia is very very cheap so the mp3s are cheap to
Yep.

Except that the covers are all copied... I spent around roughly £20 in a Russian music store on a St Petersburg main street and walked away with 32 cds and Lord of the rings 3, at the time unreleased in europe...

we used to download 'full track samples' from a russian site, but then they changed to 30 seconds...

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Old 4th May 2007, 12:04   #19
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Do you honestly care
Seconded, if you're worried a swat team is going to smash through your window at 3am and ask for your ipod just go to HMV and spend 16 quid on an album..

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Old 4th May 2007, 12:16   #20
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They conform to every single one of their countries own laws - this whole claiming that it is a grey area is such rubbish.

fini
You are quite correct - there is no grey area.
It is illegal to use them in the UK.
Local law ALWAYS takes prescendence over a foreign law.
We are in no way covered by any Russian laws.

To those of us that do care - 79p is still about the best price per track you can get for legal downloads in the UK.
I personally find this figure extremely acceptable for the few tracks I buy.
When I want to buy an album I'll buy the physical album as it's cheaper.

For those of you who don't care then carry on either paying next to nothing to a site in Russia or download them free from usenet or your favourite torrent.
Personally if I was going to be a thieving scumbag I'd just thieve it and not pay anyone (usenet or torrent) rather than pay somebody to do the first part of the thieving for me.
However it's a moot point for me as I only use and download from legal places.
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That other russian site is awesome, I'm a (very) regular customer of it. I couldn't care less for its legality, all I know is that they charge the real value of music, which I am willing to pay - not the inflated "the RIAA wishes music was this valuable" value of music
So do you do the same on everything you buy?
Just pay what you think is the real value according to you?
Or would it be that because you can get away with stealing music you will, but if there is a slight possibility you could get caught you won't?

Either you've got these big morals where you have decided a true value on something and that is all you'll pay.
Or, like everyone else, you're simply looking for a way to justify your theft?
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Old 4th May 2007, 13:07   #22
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i don't understand people who knowingly break the law and pay to break it at the same time. just break the law properly for free.
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Old 4th May 2007, 13:15   #23
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You need a hand getting down from your high horse? If somethings a rip-off, I won't buy it at a rip-off price. I could try and justify myself further, but I know the way this forum goes sometimes so I won't bother.

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Old 4th May 2007, 13:41   #24
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k - although I wasn't really after a debate it's been quite interesting, and although no one has concisely answered my OP, I think i'm at the conclusion that for people in Russia, the tracks are perfectly legal to download, however for people outside Russia (e.g. people in the UK) the tracks would be illegal to download.
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Old 4th May 2007, 13:44   #25
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Personally, i dont think the itunes price is that bad a track. Though i do think they need to give a bigger discount for albums purchased as it seems to be basically be the tracks added together cost wise....

Maybe a 20-30% discount would make me buy them rather than individual tracks..

Legalsounds IMO is on the same level as just using P2P..etc but you are paying to get music which isnt legal anyway

Should either go one way or the other, accept that you are being cheap + not buying it, or pay for it properly.
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Old 4th May 2007, 17:12   #26
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I m curious, what exactly do Ďartistsí do to deserve so much money?
A lot of people complain artists donít get any royalties if music is bought from place x

Every time I see 'artists' on TV etc... there always driving around in bran-new Mercedes S class wearing clothes that cost more than your car etc .. loads of 'artists' even have their own charity, so Iíve got to ask myself, do they need the money? Nopeee

Besides itís about time actors/footballers/artists/models etc etc .. come to the real world and get paid just like everyone else, fed up with these celebrities getting stupid money for doing things that arenít important, i.e. kick a ball around a pitch wtf.. there people starving in this world...

Doctors/Nurses other really important jobs should get the money ........ imo

Besides its your fundamental right as a consumer to buy from anywhere you want, and if Russia is cheaper, then Russia it is! Not our problem if Ďartistsí get royalties, UKís own fault for being a rip-off haven.




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