Is the EU migrant quota system about to fall apart?
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Soldato
What about the Roma? Those have absolutely zero in common with our culture and yet they come here and infest this country with their criminality like a plague. Hell, they even use memorials as toilets. Is that what you call integrating?
Soldato
Caporegime
Not believe in global warming then? Cos if you did (be honest with yourself) then you'd have to admit that having a birth rate <2 could only be a good thing for the planet.
well except for the fact its the countries with the birth rate <2 that are causing nearly all the global warming...
Caporegime
So by increasing the population of these countries at an unsustainable rate, we just cause more global warming.
Caporegime
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...eu-countries-are-shunting-migrants-towards-uk
Good for John Sentamu, Archbishop of York, for telling it like it is:
Good for John Sentamu, Archbishop of York, for telling it like it is:
Rudeness? Pushing people out of the way? Bad hygiene? All wearing track suits with Adidas? Coming out of lorries nearby? Yes immigrating well... I must say it's the worst culture I've personally experienced these last 5 years+.
Soldato
Until the lorries part, i genuinely was thinking you were talking about our own local brand of chav.
No, these are the people he is talking about:
Details on Roma criminality in Romania and Bulgaria are hard to come by, but their cousins in the Czech Republic no doubt represent the same sort of statistics one might expect in Romania. There are 10 million Czechs and only some 250,000 Roma, yet the Roma account for 60% of jailed Czech prisoners despite making up just 2.5% of the population.
In Britain, 90% of cashpoint fraud is committed by Roma gypsies. The head of the British police unit tasked with tackling cashpoint crime said fraudsters stole £35million from British bank customers last year – and most of those arrested in connection with the scams had links to the same location – the city of Bacau in eastern Romania. The proceeds of crime account for "some 70% of Bacau's economy" a senior Romanian lawyer claimed recently. The flow of illicit cash into the city is so great that an array of mansions have sprung up in the area and a number of expensive car dealerships have opened.
Have you ever wondered why there are so many Roma Big Issue sellers, who astonishingly now account for 50% of the supposed homeless who sell the magazine? But they are not homeless; not only are they housed in Britain courtesy of British taxpayers, but the benefits they receive also fund the lavish lifestyles and yet more cars and mansions of their gang-masters back in Romania.
Although technically unable to access Britain's global/ international welfare and benefit packages, there is a very easy way around this. By becoming a Big Issue vendor, they qualify as self-employed, which in turn leads to the legal issue of a National Insurance number which in turn leads to housing and welfare payments. It also, and this is very important, grants dependent family members the right to welfare in the UK.
Caporegime
If you're going to copy/paste a slab of text from another website you should at least have the decency to put it in quotes and provide a link to the source: Importing Romanian Criminals Via the EU.
It's an article from 2013. Not the most up to date source.
Since 2013 all that's changed is even more of these highly undesirables have come here, but as you cited out of date information, here's a report of a film about their more recent criminality. Surely you aren't implying these people have suddenly become model citizens in the UK post 2013? 
Television
A Gypsy documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising
BBC2’s extraordinary new film for the This World series will chill the Farage blood - and play into the Farage hands
James Walton
The New Gypsy Kings
James Walton
18 June 2016
In his latest documentary for the This World series, the Romanian film-maker Liviu Tipurita could have been forgiven for treading carefully — and not just because it meant him entering the world of organised crime. After all, his previous film in the series, the uncompromisingly titled Gypsy Child Thieves, was ferociously denounced by Roma groups for showing how some Roma parents send their children into European cities with strict instructions to beg and steal — the charge being not that this was necessarily untrue, but that it might confirm ugly prejudices.
So how would Tipurita tackle the equally awkward facts behind The New Gypsy Kings (BBC2, Thursday)? The impressive answer was by investigating them as calmly as possible so as to bring us an extraordinary documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising. If he does get accused again of playing into the hands of illiberal types, then that wouldn’t be entirely unfair. Yet, as George Orwell once pointed out when attacked for the same thing, ‘playing into the hands of’ is a phrase too often used as ‘a sort of charm or incantation to silence uncomfortable truths’.
The programme, in fact, began comfortably enough with Tipurita in a Romanian Gypsy village where he met Fanfara Ciocarlia: a traditional band who’ve toured all over the world and whose saxophone player explained that ‘the thing that makes me happiest is that my children go to school’. But even here, there were signs that such party-line wholesomeness wouldn’t last for long. Talking of the discrimination they still faced in Romania, one band member told Tipurita that ‘we suffer because, to be honest, the Gypsies also cause problems’.
Sadly, too, Fanfara Ciocarlia’s old-school charms are increasingly out of fashion back home. Instead, the Gypsy singers now getting rich are the ones who specialise in manele, a harder form of Roma music that sounds a bit like hip-hop (with fiddles), and has the lyrics to match. Serving as a typical example was a video featuring a manele star called Adrian Minune in a stretch limo, surrounded by miniskirted lovelies and singing about his ‘countless large banknotes’.
Admittedly, the video might have been more convincing (although less funny) if Adrian wasn’t a small, tubby, middle-aged bloke who apparently needs his wife’s help to get his socks on. Even so, his boast about the banknotes was by no means empty. As we saw, he and the other manele singers make most of their considerable money at lavish parties, where they improvise songs about the guests and their families in return for large wodges of cash that they brandish proudly as they perform. ‘From cart to Ferrari,’ said Adrian later, reflecting on his life. ‘From tents to palaces.’
Still, there’s no doubt that the songs really are bespoke. One of Adrian’s commissions was to improvise a lyric in praise of a woman described by her businessman husband as ‘one of the most powerful witches in the world’, but who’s now in prison for bribing a judge to free her two sons.
In this way, Adrian can make thousands of euros a night. But where, wondered Tipurita, does all that money come from? Well, one fairly hefty clue came with a song containing the words, ‘We’ve all gathered/ What Mafia talent!’ Another was when Tipurita met Fane Spoitoru, straightforwardly introduced as the former crime boss of Bucharest. At his grandson’s wedding, Spoitoru came in for particular manele praise (one song in his honour included the lyrics ‘This is my King/ This is my God’) — and we soon found out why. In the 1990s, when not in prison for wounding a policeman with a samurai sword, Spoitoru had run the café where many of the manele stars got their first break. Ever since, they’ve wisely relied on his patronage — and his protection.
For proof of just how wise this was, Tipurita brought us the story of a great traditional band called Taraf de Haïdouks, once championed by Johnny Depp. Unfortunately, when a Romanian newspaper suggested that Depp had paid them $100,000 to play his LA club, other Gypsy gangs — among them, ‘a bear tamers’ clan from Bucharest’ — took this as the cue to break into the members’ houses, terrorise their families and steal all that they had. Now, the lead singer is making bricks for sixpence a time, and looking after her grandchildren while her daughter is in London pursuing a career in begging.
And if that wasn’t enough to chill the Farage blood (or play into the Farage hands), the daughter in question reappeared at the end to explain her plans for the future. ‘I want to take my children to London,’ she said, ‘because the benefits and living standards are much higher. All of our Roma people, all of them, have gone to London.’
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/...between-the-eye-opening-and-the-hair-raising/
Television
A Gypsy documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising
BBC2’s extraordinary new film for the This World series will chill the Farage blood - and play into the Farage hands
James Walton
The New Gypsy Kings
James Walton
18 June 2016
In his latest documentary for the This World series, the Romanian film-maker Liviu Tipurita could have been forgiven for treading carefully — and not just because it meant him entering the world of organised crime. After all, his previous film in the series, the uncompromisingly titled Gypsy Child Thieves, was ferociously denounced by Roma groups for showing how some Roma parents send their children into European cities with strict instructions to beg and steal — the charge being not that this was necessarily untrue, but that it might confirm ugly prejudices.
So how would Tipurita tackle the equally awkward facts behind The New Gypsy Kings (BBC2, Thursday)? The impressive answer was by investigating them as calmly as possible so as to bring us an extraordinary documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising. If he does get accused again of playing into the hands of illiberal types, then that wouldn’t be entirely unfair. Yet, as George Orwell once pointed out when attacked for the same thing, ‘playing into the hands of’ is a phrase too often used as ‘a sort of charm or incantation to silence uncomfortable truths’.
The programme, in fact, began comfortably enough with Tipurita in a Romanian Gypsy village where he met Fanfara Ciocarlia: a traditional band who’ve toured all over the world and whose saxophone player explained that ‘the thing that makes me happiest is that my children go to school’. But even here, there were signs that such party-line wholesomeness wouldn’t last for long. Talking of the discrimination they still faced in Romania, one band member told Tipurita that ‘we suffer because, to be honest, the Gypsies also cause problems’.
Sadly, too, Fanfara Ciocarlia’s old-school charms are increasingly out of fashion back home. Instead, the Gypsy singers now getting rich are the ones who specialise in manele, a harder form of Roma music that sounds a bit like hip-hop (with fiddles), and has the lyrics to match. Serving as a typical example was a video featuring a manele star called Adrian Minune in a stretch limo, surrounded by miniskirted lovelies and singing about his ‘countless large banknotes’.
Admittedly, the video might have been more convincing (although less funny) if Adrian wasn’t a small, tubby, middle-aged bloke who apparently needs his wife’s help to get his socks on. Even so, his boast about the banknotes was by no means empty. As we saw, he and the other manele singers make most of their considerable money at lavish parties, where they improvise songs about the guests and their families in return for large wodges of cash that they brandish proudly as they perform. ‘From cart to Ferrari,’ said Adrian later, reflecting on his life. ‘From tents to palaces.’
Still, there’s no doubt that the songs really are bespoke. One of Adrian’s commissions was to improvise a lyric in praise of a woman described by her businessman husband as ‘one of the most powerful witches in the world’, but who’s now in prison for bribing a judge to free her two sons.
In this way, Adrian can make thousands of euros a night. But where, wondered Tipurita, does all that money come from? Well, one fairly hefty clue came with a song containing the words, ‘We’ve all gathered/ What Mafia talent!’ Another was when Tipurita met Fane Spoitoru, straightforwardly introduced as the former crime boss of Bucharest. At his grandson’s wedding, Spoitoru came in for particular manele praise (one song in his honour included the lyrics ‘This is my King/ This is my God’) — and we soon found out why. In the 1990s, when not in prison for wounding a policeman with a samurai sword, Spoitoru had run the café where many of the manele stars got their first break. Ever since, they’ve wisely relied on his patronage — and his protection.
For proof of just how wise this was, Tipurita brought us the story of a great traditional band called Taraf de Haïdouks, once championed by Johnny Depp. Unfortunately, when a Romanian newspaper suggested that Depp had paid them $100,000 to play his LA club, other Gypsy gangs — among them, ‘a bear tamers’ clan from Bucharest’ — took this as the cue to break into the members’ houses, terrorise their families and steal all that they had. Now, the lead singer is making bricks for sixpence a time, and looking after her grandchildren while her daughter is in London pursuing a career in begging.
And if that wasn’t enough to chill the Farage blood (or play into the Farage hands), the daughter in question reappeared at the end to explain her plans for the future. ‘I want to take my children to London,’ she said, ‘because the benefits and living standards are much higher. All of our Roma people, all of them, have gone to London.’
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/...between-the-eye-opening-and-the-hair-raising/
Caporegime
Soldato
Wow people really jumped on the Dr's appointment comment lol
Strange as it was in the paragraph where I said immigration can do what it wants but public services need to get back up par, which is why there is such a perceived problem with immigration. But take what you will.
Australia has a far stricter immigration rules than us, to imply that we're the same is silly as one of the big Brexit pushes was trying to get an Australia type system where we will happily accept skilled workers. As of now as long as you meet the basic criteria it doesn't matter if you can't read or write and have no other skills you can still come in. Before jumping....yes we should help people but at this stage it is to the detriment of people currently in the country.
Strange as it was in the paragraph where I said immigration can do what it wants but public services need to get back up par, which is why there is such a perceived problem with immigration. But take what you will.
Australia has a far stricter immigration rules than us, to imply that we're the same is silly as one of the big Brexit pushes was trying to get an Australia type system where we will happily accept skilled workers. As of now as long as you meet the basic criteria it doesn't matter if you can't read or write and have no other skills you can still come in. Before jumping....yes we should help people but at this stage it is to the detriment of people currently in the country.
Caporegime
[FnG]magnolia;30057771 said:scorza quoting The Guardian? Is this End Times?
Truly we live in the last days. Prepare yourselves, my children. There is little time to do what must be done.
Soldato
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There’s no denying the crime and instability wherever there’s a high concentration of migrants, so it’s straight to obfuscation.