Is the EU migrant quota system about to fall apart?

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With Hungarians voting in a referendum on vetoing the EU migrant resettlement quota in 4 days time, is their almost certain rejection of this EU mandate going to start a chain reaction amongst other member states who are also concerned about it?

This will be another nail in the EU coffin as Hungary puts its people first above EU legislation, and a further attempt made by the EU to remove another slice of sovereignty from its members is rejected.



The referendum will ask the following question to Hungarian voters:

“Akarja-e, hogy az Európai Unió az Országgyűlés hozzájárulása nélkül is előírhassa nem magyar állampolgárok Magyarországra történő kötelező betelepítését?”

Translated, the referendum reads as such:

“Do you want the European Union, without the consent of the Hungarian Parliament, to order a compulsory resettlement of non-Hungarian citizens into Hungary?”


http://www.imlabs.org/hungarys-referendum-on-the-european-unions-refugee-resettlement-quota/
 
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Agreeing to the free movement of other EU citizens is one thing, being TOLD by the EU that you MUST accept migrants from just about anywhere, and told HOW MANY you must take is good reason to stick their fingers up to the EU, in my opinion.

As to the EU allowing countries of totally disparate GDP, wages, house prices, scientific achievement and development membership, I agree with you, it was their Achilles heel and is now becoming their downfall.
 
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How does it not surprise me that the least tolerant of migrants are the ones with the least experience with them.

OK, so that's your opinion is it? Please suggest why, to use the "home" of Overclockers as an example, Stoke on Trent was dubbed the Brexit capital of the UK with a massive vote to leave, with residents citing immigration as their main concern?

Stoke certainly has a huge number of immigrants living within its boundaries. How come this lack of tolerance of more coming to the UK is so evident there? :)

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/how-...u-referendum/story-29439155-detail/story.html
 
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It's the same tired stuff over and over. Post a headline and some quote from a (generally) right wing bias news story about migrants then barely contribute to the debate you've started.

What's Chris Wilson's solution to the problem of immigration?

I have cited my opinion many times, ask Australia nicely for their handbook on the subject.
 
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Most of them are British born, so not migrants and come under British born. Unless it is about race?

But there's not a single one in the figures, not one! And I would hazard a guess Asians make up the largest percentage. I call it a fix, a blatant misrepresentation. Why would someone do that? I would hazard a guess because they are frightened of posting a realistic appraisal, as it doesn't suit their agenda as a blinkered supporter of uncontrolled immigration perhaps?
 
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My English uncle moved to Australia in the 80's with his family. He has one British born daughter and one Australian born daughter.

Now most of his Facebook posts are complaining about migrants, but of course it's the non-white ones that he really cares about.

He also complains that the indigenous (displaced) aboriginal population are alcoholic wasters.

You couldn't make it up really.

Why do you assume he's making it up, he's posting his feet on the ground, actually living over there in Australia opinion. I have relatives in Oz, who have lived there for several generations, and they concur with your uncle's opinion of the aborigines in general.
 
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I'd rather not, housing migrants indefinitely in off-shore 'detention centres' (basically prisons) isn't my idea of a good system

Apparently Teresa May doesn't approve either

May questioned whether the type of system that admits migrants based on their skills was effective, and did not rule out retaining preferential access arrangements for EU citizens. “One of the issues is whether or not points-based systems do work,” she said, stressing that there was “no single silver bullet” on reducing immigration.


You asked me for my answer to handling the UK immigration problem many see, not for an answer you, or Teresa May would approve of :) I guess you don't see there even being a migration problem, so any answer will be easy for you to criticise.
 
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[*]We've resettled over 1,000 people from Syria in the UK in 2015; OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!


Make that 1000 or so less one, and the sky did fall for this poor girl and her family, as this resttled Syrian absconded back to Turkey whilst on trial, and still in possession of his passport, via the usually lax UK border control, after drugging her with methadone, and raping her in Chester. A nice thank you to to the UK for giving him refuge. The media is awash with reports of migrants committing serious crimes across Europe, let's not pretend they only commit a balanced percentage of crime.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...utes-got-taxi-flees-Turkey-halfway-trial.html
 
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C'mon Chris Wilson. Let's talk about Stoke some more now that some facts have been provided. Why do you think somewhere with less than 4% of the population being born outside the UK has such a 'problem'?

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Well, I would suggest you ask the voting age residents of the town, which I am not. The TV coverage during the pre EU referendum debates showed many holding strong opinions about the levels of UK immigration and stating they would vote out as they believed it would help relieve pressure to accept more immigration. I take it this is the "problem" you placed in inverted commas?

Whilst the figures show less than 4% being born OUTSIDE the UK Stoke probably has a large number of second, third and maybe fourth generation immigrants that the figures show as British. Maybe many of the residents don't think of them as such though? As to why they might not is a totally different subject, that's probably quite contentious.
 
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Because they are racist?

You mean they haven't tried too hard to become culturally British and remained more aligned with their original homeland's cultures? ;)


Maybe....

Of course, I know what you are really asking, and the answer is almost certainly yes. Racism is the new homosexuality, in that those of that persuasion are not encouraged by political correctness or law to embrace it too publicly. Nonetheless it undoubtedly exists. I would not expect it to disappear any time soon, it's been going on since time immemorial.
 
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Seriously how is **** like this allowed ubder the new posting behaviour rules?

No worries, my nickname is Rhino (thick skinned and always charging). But I can see your point that if the boot were on the other foot someone could easily throw toys from their perambulator ;)

Anyways, I am off to the pub tonight, so you can all have at me behind my back ;)
 
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Until the lorries part, i genuinely was thinking you were talking about our own local brand of chav.

No, these are the people he is talking about:

Details on Roma criminality in Romania and Bulgaria are hard to come by, but their cousins in the Czech Republic no doubt represent the same sort of statistics one might expect in Romania. There are 10 million Czechs and only some 250,000 Roma, yet the Roma account for 60% of jailed Czech prisoners despite making up just 2.5% of the population.

In Britain, 90% of cashpoint fraud is committed by Roma gypsies. The head of the British police unit tasked with tackling cashpoint crime said fraudsters stole £35million from British bank customers last year – and most of those arrested in connection with the scams had links to the same location – the city of Bacau in eastern Romania. The proceeds of crime account for "some 70% of Bacau's economy" a senior Romanian lawyer claimed recently. The flow of illicit cash into the city is so great that an array of mansions have sprung up in the area and a number of expensive car dealerships have opened.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many Roma Big Issue sellers, who astonishingly now account for 50% of the supposed homeless who sell the magazine? But they are not homeless; not only are they housed in Britain courtesy of British taxpayers, but the benefits they receive also fund the lavish lifestyles and yet more cars and mansions of their gang-masters back in Romania.

Although technically unable to access Britain's global/ international welfare and benefit packages, there is a very easy way around this. By becoming a Big Issue vendor, they qualify as self-employed, which in turn leads to the legal issue of a National Insurance number which in turn leads to housing and welfare payments. It also, and this is very important, grants dependent family members the right to welfare in the UK.
 
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Since 2013 all that's changed is even more of these highly undesirables have come here, but as you cited out of date information, here's a report of a film about their more recent criminality. Surely you aren't implying these people have suddenly become model citizens in the UK post 2013? :)



Television
A Gypsy documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising
BBC2’s extraordinary new film for the This World series will chill the Farage blood - and play into the Farage hands
James Walton
The New Gypsy Kings

James Walton

18 June 2016


In his latest documentary for the This World series, the Romanian film-maker Liviu Tipurita could have been forgiven for treading carefully — and not just because it meant him entering the world of organised crime. After all, his previous film in the series, the uncompromisingly titled Gypsy Child Thieves, was ferociously denounced by Roma groups for showing how some Roma parents send their children into European cities with strict instructions to beg and steal — the charge being not that this was necessarily untrue, but that it might confirm ugly prejudices.

So how would Tipurita tackle the equally awkward facts behind The New Gypsy Kings (BBC2, Thursday)? The impressive answer was by investigating them as calmly as possible so as to bring us an extraordinary documentary that alternated between the eye-opening and the hair-raising. If he does get accused again of playing into the hands of illiberal types, then that wouldn’t be entirely unfair. Yet, as George Orwell once pointed out when attacked for the same thing, ‘playing into the hands of’ is a phrase too often used as ‘a sort of charm or incantation to silence uncomfortable truths’.

The programme, in fact, began comfortably enough with Tipurita in a Romanian Gypsy village where he met Fanfara Ciocarlia: a traditional band who’ve toured all over the world and whose saxophone player explained that ‘the thing that makes me happiest is that my children go to school’. But even here, there were signs that such party-line wholesomeness wouldn’t last for long. Talking of the discrimination they still faced in Romania, one band member told Tipurita that ‘we suffer because, to be honest, the Gypsies also cause problems’.



Sadly, too, Fanfara Ciocarlia’s old-school charms are increasingly out of fashion back home. Instead, the Gypsy singers now getting rich are the ones who specialise in manele, a harder form of Roma music that sounds a bit like hip-hop (with fiddles), and has the lyrics to match. Serving as a typical example was a video featuring a manele star called Adrian Minune in a stretch limo, surrounded by miniskirted lovelies and singing about his ‘countless large banknotes’.

Admittedly, the video might have been more convincing (although less funny) if Adrian wasn’t a small, tubby, middle-aged bloke who apparently needs his wife’s help to get his socks on. Even so, his boast about the banknotes was by no means empty. As we saw, he and the other manele singers make most of their considerable money at lavish parties, where they improvise songs about the guests and their families in return for large wodges of cash that they brandish proudly as they perform. ‘From cart to Ferrari,’ said Adrian later, reflecting on his life. ‘From tents to palaces.’

Still, there’s no doubt that the songs really are bespoke. One of Adrian’s commissions was to improvise a lyric in praise of a woman described by her businessman husband as ‘one of the most powerful witches in the world’, but who’s now in prison for bribing a judge to free her two sons.

In this way, Adrian can make thousands of euros a night. But where, wondered Tipurita, does all that money come from? Well, one fairly hefty clue came with a song containing the words, ‘We’ve all gathered/ What Mafia talent!’ Another was when Tipurita met Fane Spoitoru, straightforwardly introduced as the former crime boss of Bucharest. At his grandson’s wedding, Spoitoru came in for particular manele praise (one song in his honour included the lyrics ‘This is my King/ This is my God’) — and we soon found out why. In the 1990s, when not in prison for wounding a policeman with a samurai sword, Spoitoru had run the café where many of the manele stars got their first break. Ever since, they’ve wisely relied on his patronage — and his protection.

For proof of just how wise this was, Tipurita brought us the story of a great traditional band called Taraf de Haïdouks, once championed by Johnny Depp. Unfortunately, when a Romanian newspaper suggested that Depp had paid them $100,000 to play his LA club, other Gypsy gangs — among them, ‘a bear tamers’ clan from Bucharest’ — took this as the cue to break into the members’ houses, terrorise their families and steal all that they had. Now, the lead singer is making bricks for sixpence a time, and looking after her grandchildren while her daughter is in London pursuing a career in begging.

And if that wasn’t enough to chill the Farage blood (or play into the Farage hands), the daughter in question reappeared at the end to explain her plans for the future. ‘I want to take my children to London,’ she said, ‘because the benefits and living standards are much higher. All of our Roma people, all of them, have gone to London.’


http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/...between-the-eye-opening-and-the-hair-raising/
 
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