Ok, I will bite. Please explain how the markets work and list the discrete GPU markets where AMD has 50% market share?
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4090 vs 7900xtx re-test, who has aged like fine wine?
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Ok, I will bite. Please explain how the markets work and list the discrete GPU markets where AMD has 50% market share?
Maybe but there is also this too:
Nvidia Has a Driver Overhead Problem, GeForce vs Radeon on Low-End CPUs
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Was fixed a while back the driver overhead issues.
NVIDIA's new driver enables "substantial" DirectX12 performance improvements for GeForce RTX GPUs - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA updates DirectX12 driver, up to 24% better performance in Assassin’s Creed Valhalla Today NVIDIA released a new Game Ready driver for GeForce RTX 4090. It brings much more than just support for the newest architecture, though. The company has been working on improving performance for...
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TESTED: NVIDIA GeForce Driver Update Promises A Major Performance Lift For DX12 Gaming
Right on cue, NVIDIA has issued an updated GPU driver release to officially support its beastly new flagship graphics card, the GeForce RTX 4090. That's not all, though.
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Core i9 12900k is still a high end CPU. Needs testing on a range of CPUs - didn't see any retests so far.Was fixed a while back the driver overhead issues.
NVIDIA's new driver enables "substantial" DirectX12 performance improvements for GeForce RTX GPUs - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA updates DirectX12 driver, up to 24% better performance in Assassin’s Creed Valhalla Today NVIDIA released a new Game Ready driver for GeForce RTX 4090. It brings much more than just support for the newest architecture, though. The company has been working on improving performance for...
TESTED: NVIDIA GeForce Driver Update Promises A Major Performance Lift For DX12 Gaming
Right on cue, NVIDIA has issued an updated GPU driver release to officially support its beastly new flagship graphics card, the GeForce RTX 4090. That's not all, though.hothardware.com
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Very few people even made videos showing the updated drivers that fixed the overhead issues. One above.
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Not really well done - I didn't see the test of the RTX3070 with the Core i5 11400F,only the RTX3050. Why can't people just test these things normally?
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NVIDIA GeForce 522.25 Driver Analysis - Gains for all Generations
NVIDIA's newest drivers promise performance improvements for DirectX 12 games for Ampere. We put this to the test in our Driver Performance Analysis article, testing 25 games at three resolutions. Our benchmarks confirm: not only Ampere gets higher FPS, but Pascal and Turing, too.
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NVIDIA GeForce 522.25 Driver Analysis - Gains for all Generations
NVIDIA's newest drivers promise performance improvements for DirectX 12 games for Ampere. We put this to the test in our Driver Performance Analysis article, testing 25 games at three resolutions. Our benchmarks confirm: not only Ampere gets higher FPS, but Pascal and Turing, too.www.techpowerup.com
Again where is the list of processors testing low to higher end showing this? I find it weird the previous video,why the guy could have tested the 11400F rig with the RTX3070 too.
The TPU review has a single 5800X,which TPU used until the RTX4000 series launch. Then TPU found the 5800X CPU limited the RTX4090,etc so had to get a faster CPU.
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Yes it was not tested after the drama that was created by HUB and even they didn't do another video after the driver overhead issue was fixed by Nvidia in the 522.25 drivers and on.
No idea need to keep searching for better testing videos or reviews of the driver. Still searching here, but the fixes came out in driver 522.25.
Intel Core i7-12700K with 32 GB of DDR5-5200 and a GeForce RTX 3070. Was used in the hothardware link above too in their updated testing at bottom of the article.
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So many confounding factors, what a waste of time.So if Nvidia are "out fine wine'ing" AMD, does this imply that the 4090 was released before it was ready?!
Anyway, the real problem is that the suite has change do much that benchmarks are not comparable.
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX und RX 7900 XT im Test: "Doppel-Wumms" gegen RTX 4080 [Update]
AMDs Radeon RX 7900 XTX und Radeon RX 7900 XT im Spieletest mit zahlreichen Raytracing-Benchmarks in vier Auflösungen.www.pcgameshardware.de
For raster, only A Plague Tale: Requiem, Cyberpunk 2077, and Forza Horizon 5 were in both, and the scene for Cyberpunk 2077 is not the same (going from PCGH's Red Light Alley in 2023 to PCGH's Dog Days in 2024.
Geforce RTX 4090 vs. Radeon RX 7900 XTX: Duell der Topmodelle - Nachtest 2024 [Update]
Raytracing-Benchmarks & Leistungsindex
So directly comparable for raster we only have those two and at 4K min FPS we got (2023 first, 2024 last)
APT: Requiem, for the 4090: 64.0 to 71.0 so nearly 11% better.
APT: Requiem, for the 7900 XTX: 49.0 to 51 so about 4%.
FH5 for the 4090: 117.0 to 118.0 so about 1% better.
FH5 for the 7900 XTX: 83.0 to 95 so about 14%.
For RT scenes: Well I gave up after comparing the only common games (CB2077, DL2, and Metro Exodus) since not only did CB2077 have a different scene, Dying Light 2 uses the same 'scene' but different settings, and Metro Exodus using the same scene but again changing the settings.
CPUs? Stated is 12900K vs 13900KS (implying P cores only for both).
And the CPU was changed too, so not really a scientific comparison.
What we can sort of say is that for new games the 4090 is going really well as most of the suite difference is newer games.
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Its sloppy these tech sites don't do follow up videos. Maybe its worth suggesting to someone in their Discord if they could do this with newer cards.
Some channels did testing in the last 12 months,and it still seemed AMD had an edge in certain CPU limited scenarios:
Is Radeon REALLY better for old PCs? | Driver Overhead
Benchmarking the Ryzen 7 1700 in 8 games using a Radeon RX 6700 and Geforce RTX 3070 to test driver overhead in CPU limited situations.Now that DirectX12 and...
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Nvidia GPUs Have a Serious Problem! - Nvidia vs AMD GPU Driver Overhead
Comparing the GPU driver overhead between Nvidia and AMD, showing you exactly how much of a performance difference there is between them, in both DX11 and DX...
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But even then it's a mishmash of hardware,etc. It waa the same with AMD DX11 overhead which was certainly there,but not sure if it was ever fixed.
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Driver aside, I think part of the reason is that Nvidia ALWAYS being more stingy on the vram on their cards (except the top card) at similar or slightly higher price point than AMD's offering, hence why they always tends to age worse over time (3070 8GB is a good example of this).I think at that point though the differences tend to get more specialized i.e ray tracing. If you don't care about RT and can get a 7900XTX at a decent price it's a solid card... outside of AMD drivers crashing every 5 minutes
Nvidia managed to create this illusion of their product better across the board simply due to them having the fastest card at the top, while at lower end and mainstream cards there ALWAYS cut corner on the spec, as if they are afraid of their users "eating too well" or they are having nightmares of their users being able to use their cards for more than 2 years and not upgrading (despite the users are already forking out hundreds of pounds)
Even if considering RT, people buying Nvidia card they would have to get a card with at least 16GB vram (meaning at least a 4080 16GB) to avoid potential stuttering, so for anyone with budget below that and getting Nvidia cards with 12GB vram or less the RT advantage becomes a moot point.
Seems it wasn't even HUB that noticed the issue but PCGAMESHARDWARE.DE, they may have an updated test there.Its sloppy these tech sites don't do follow up videos. Maybe its worth suggesting to someone in their Discord if they could do this with newer cards.
Some channels did testing in the last 12 months,and it still seemed AMD had an edge:
Is Radeon REALLY better for old PCs? | Driver Overhead
Benchmarking the Ryzen 7 1700 in 8 games using a Radeon RX 6700 and Geforce RTX 3070 to test driver overhead in CPU limited situations.Now that DirectX12 and...Nvidia GPUs Have a Serious Problem! - Nvidia vs AMD GPU Driver Overhead
Comparing the GPU driver overhead between Nvidia and AMD, showing you exactly how much of a performance difference there is between them, in both DX11 and DX...
Release 520 Driver for Windows, Version 522.25 RN-08399-522.25_v01 | 12
Chapter 3. Changes and Fixed Issues in Version 522.25
The following sections list the important changes and the most common issues resolved in this
version. This list is only a subset of the total number of changes made in this driver version. The
NVIDIA bug number is provided for reference.
3.1 Fixed Issues in Version 522.25 WHQL
[PCGAMESHARDWARE.DE][Teardown] Very low performance on Turing/Ampere GPUs
compared to AMD Radeon [3653400]
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands displays texture corruption after extended gameplay on NVIDIA
GPUs [3777340]
UE5.1 crashes when enabling path tracing on some drivers [3731151]
Page 12 lists above.
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Problem is that there has been testing last year where Nvidia cards still had issues on slower CPUs(those two videos). There should be no scenario where an RX6700 can be quicker than an RTX3070,or an RX480 compared to an RTX3060. In the GPU limited scenarios the Nvidia cards seem to perform as expected.
It was the same with the AMD DX11 overhead - there was an issue there but it was never fully resolved on whether it exists still.
Maybe someone on the HUB Discord can ask them to retest again.
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Posts like this really do highlight the need for a u wot m8 smiley
My mental reaction to reading it at first was this
Driver aside, I think part of the reason is that Nvidia ALWAYS being more stingy on the vram on their cards (except the top card) at similar or slightly higher price point than AMD's offering, hence why they always tends to age worse over time (3070 8GB is a good example of this).
Nvidia managed to create this illusion of their product better across the board simply due to them having the fastest card at the top, while at lower end and mainstream cards there ALWAYS cut corner on the spec, as if they are afraid of their users "eating too well" or they are having nightmares of their users being able to use their cards for more than 2 years and not upgrading (despite the users are already forking out hundreds of pounds)
Even if considering RT, people buying Nvidia card they would have to get a card with at least 16GB vram (meaning at least a 4080 16GB) to avoid potential stuttering, so for anyone with budget below that and getting Nvidia cards with 12GB vram or less the RT advantage becomes a moot point.
Given how VRAM is going to be higher capacity per chip going forward I bet Nvidia are scheming up ways to limit memory XD
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They'll sell it at half capacity and charge a monthly subscription to double your VRAM. You heard it here first. DLSS license sold separately. RTX premium upgrade by the hour.
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