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Soldato
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It most likely has forward facing cameras and, if it goes anywhere around London, it is mandatory to have near side “blind spot” cameras which most likely would have captured your incident…

Edit: Incidentally, if his trailer hit you and it was heavily loaded, unless he actually saw it happen it’s extremely unlikely he’d have felt and therefore been aware of anything, the fact he pulled over tells me he knew exactly what had happened, you don’t just pull over in a truck because traffic behind you suddenly slows….

I’m not taking sides here but can assure you the blind spots on artics are very large, more than enough to make a large van disappear never mind a car, that does not however excuse the truck driver from being aware of these blind spots and making sure there’s nothing in them before moving over which I’m assuming is what happened here…

I would be hassling the truck operator and their insurance company for footage, it most likely exists!
He said he pulled over as he saw traffic stopping and hadn't felt it. Only Mark on his truck was my white paint on his wheels
 
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He said he pulled over as he saw traffic stopping and hadn't felt it. Only Mark on his truck was my white paint on his wheels
A guilty concience lead to him pulling over, I've driven artics for far too long, more than long enough to know you don't just pull over because you notice traffic behind you has slowed or indeed stopped....!
 
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Interesting at work we'd not be challenging it if the driver had reason to stop and was aware at the scene of probably hitting someone - a bit different sometimes when we get claims put in after the fact we have no previous awareness of - which we have challenged.
 
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In November I was merging on a slip road, (slip road goes 2 to 1 before merging in motorway) I've merged, gone past all the merging signs and the lanes have gone to 1 and half, there's traffic in front of me as they doing road works on the motorway where 3 lanes are becoming 2, so they are all coming to a standstill, there is 2 car lengths I. Front of me, I'm doing 30mph slowiydown to a gradual stop, the guy in the outside lane decides he wants the small space in front of me because the 1 car difference will get him home quicker.

He scrapes down the side of my car, I try and take avoiding action by going on the chevrons to the left, but the damage already done. I stop on the side of the road, He then drives off.

I follow him and try to get him to pull over but nothing.

Told my insurance company the next day.

He then went to the police, and his insurance company and said it was all my fault etc etc.

Unfortunately I didn't have a dash cam and no one else stopped so no witnesses.

I managed to polish the marks out on my car so didn't go through the insurance.

He's made a claim and now I'm having to settle on 50/50, so we both get an at fault claim.

Joke is my insurance is paying half his costs, and as I didn't make a claim his insurance is getting a darn good deal.
 
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In November I was merging on a slip road, (slip road goes 2 to 1 before merging in motorway) I've merged, gone past all the merging signs and the lanes have gone to 1 and half, there's traffic in front of me as they doing road works on the motorway where 3 lanes are becoming 2, so they are all coming to a standstill, there is 2 car lengths I. Front of me, I'm doing 30mph slowiydown to a gradual stop, the guy in the outside lane decides he wants the small space in front of me because the 1 car difference will get him home quicker.

He scrapes down the side of my car, I try and take avoiding action by going on the chevrons to the left, but the damage already done. I stop on the side of the road, He then drives off.

I follow him and try to get him to pull over but nothing.

Told my insurance company the next day.

He then went to the police, and his insurance company and said it was all my fault etc etc.

Unfortunately I didn't have a dash cam and no one else stopped so no witnesses.

I managed to polish the marks out on my car so didn't go through the insurance.

He's made a claim and now I'm having to settle on 50/50, so we both get an at fault claim.

Joke is my insurance is paying half his costs, and as I didn't make a claim his insurance is getting a darn good deal.

You don't have to settle. Deny it and mug him off the same way and keep it open. He has no proof either and fled the scene.
 
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My solicitor is taking it to county court. ****** off tbh.

This is interesting. As I understand it, an insurer won't go to court regarding a disputed claim unless they have some evidence proving that the other driver is at fault, so even though there's no dashcam footage they must have some evidence, such as an independent witness.

I think what often happens with claims against commercial insurers is that they do nothing until they are served with court proceedings and then, if there is clear proof of them being at fault, they admit liability just before the court date.
 
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So as mentioned in the dashcam thread...

  • In lane 1/slow lane in avg speed limit zone, truck in lane 2 didn't see me - came over, I braked and his back tyres skimmed the side of my car as he drifted across.
  • I came to a stop, he drove off but pulled into a lay-by - said he didn't know he'd hit me, but saw traffic slowing etc so pulled over.
  • Swapped details (though he didn't give me his insurer, but said they'd be in touch) it was a huge truck, so got reg and company.
Anyway, I reported to e-sure via their online portal on the Sunday 7th august (it happed Saturday 6th august) as a non fault claim. So far they've heard nothing from his side, which I've been told not to worry. The problem is my insurance renewal ended yesterday and now I'm left with paying a premium due to this accident. I've just phoned his company and left a message "with the person who deals with this" to see if I can speed things up...there were no injuries, I just want it sorted.

So TLDR, does anyone have advice on how else to proceed? Are their any online sites to request dashcam footage for a time/place?

You were hovering in his blind spot and he didn't see you when he came across. This is pretty much what always happens. Just a tip for the future never hang around on the inside of a truck as it is a very dangerous place to be. In fact try to avoid it at all costs. He will have blind spot mirrors or even DVS but it is still a huge gamble as it could be a fresh pass or even a driver coming to the end of a 15 hour day. Average speed zones are the worse for this as truck Speedo's are calibrated to within 1mph so they are doing 50 in a 50 whereas cars normally sit around 45 thinking they are doing 50 so trucks end up in the middle lane because traffic in lane 1 is just going too slow.

It is his fault at the end of the day you will have a non fault claim on your insurance and it will be no skin off his back as the company will most likely self insure if it is a big one and his details will not even be recorded. They pay up but you lose out on your record.

This is why in this day and age it is far better to focus on defensive driving and leaving plenty of space in front. If it hurts the ego that someone cuts in at the last minute so be it but at least your car will not be damaged.

I wish they would teach a lot more about HGV's when people do their tests or even have a driving equivalent of CPC for non professional road users. It would help no end.

The amount of cars that think Lorries should let them in off a slip road that results in a crash must happen several times a day and if I had a quid every time a car slows down on a slip when the logical thing is to speed up I would be a millionaire.
 
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Have you got a dash camera yet?
I had a moron change lanes in to the side of my car last year. His wasn't damaged so said he wasn't claiming. I gave his numberplate and the video to my insurers and it was literally sorted within 10 minutes.
 
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Got a court date, bricking it. Was tempted to just withdraw but a truck drove into me and it feels like I’m being bullied.
its likely not like TV court, It's likely to be you, your lawyer (you do have a lawyer don't you?), the defendant and their legal representative in a small room with no-one else. Rock up with plenty of time, dress well, be polite and do what your lawyer says - worst case you lose and the insurance has to pay out, best case you win and you get your no-claims and excess back (+ reasonable expenses iirc, keep your parking ticket to add to it :) )

We went a few years back when my wife had a head on down a country road, we rocked up dressed for a funeral and the defendant in her Day-Glo leggins - She was rude and unhelpful, we were polite. Judge ruled 100% defendants fault as my misses had tried to drive into the hedge and the defendant hadn't made any effort to avoid the crash. Could easily have gone 50:50 but think the appearance and attitude helped a lot :)
 
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I had a incident with a tesco lorry. Think it was stobart or someone. Took 18months in total. But they did admit fault after a few weeks. Once you have that its all good.
 
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its likely not like TV court, It's likely to be you, your lawyer (you do have a lawyer don't you?), the defendant and their legal representative in a small room with no-one else. Rock up with plenty of time, dress well, be polite and do what your lawyer says - worst case you lose and the insurance has to pay out, best case you win and you get your no-claims and excess back (+ reasonable expenses iirc, keep your parking ticket to add to it :) )

We went a few years back when my wife had a head on down a country road, we rocked up dressed for a funeral and the defendant in her Day-Glo leggins - She was rude and unhelpful, we were polite. Judge ruled 100% defendants fault as my misses had tried to drive into the hedge and the defendant hadn't made any effort to avoid the crash. Could easily have gone 50:50 but think the appearance and attitude helped a lot :)
I have no lawyer, but am represented by carpenters via my insurance. Totally didn’t consider this…‍♂️

Wonder if carpenters will provide this…guess that’s a question!
 
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